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Topic: 302 or 351w???
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CJ,314
Journeyman Posts: 6
From: Westport,Mass.
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 06-19-2001 07:40 PM
   
Hello Ford friends,Would a 302 be a better choice for a mid-12 second bracket racer or do you think a 351w. I have for the past 23 years raced a 302 powerd 64 Falcon Sprint, With some mild mods (Headers,600 holley ) It runs mid 14s Would like to step up a bit . thanks in advance ..CJ..
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 8591
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 06-19-2001 09:42 PM
Welcome to M&M CJ  ! Glad to have you with us. The 351 is an easier choice, but will require more work to fit in a Falcon engine bay. I would hesitate making a recomendation until I knew what parts you already had.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator
NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00 & '01
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CJ,314
Journeyman Posts: 6
From: Westport,Mass.
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 06-20-2001 09:04 AM
Thankyou for the quick responce Alex., As for what I have for parts,. The motor is a 68 302 freshend up 5 years ago, all stock except for Comp cams 270s,Blackjack headers,289hipo intake,600 holley vac-sec. The car itself has an 8 inch rear 3:70 gear (welded ,Hey it works) on 9" slicks and a set of Cal-Tracks All most forgot, A TCI-C4 trans.Hope this helps and thankyou ...CJ...
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69maverick
Gearhead Posts: 352
From: Thomaston,CT.
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-20-2001 11:08 AM
CJ,314 Welcome! Be carefull as a new guy it can be ruff around here!  But we will help you if we can! I have been telling guys to weld them up for a long time but few will give it a try! I am in about the same boat as you. I thinkung about going to a 351 in my sons stang! But now the big question is 351w/351c
both have good points!!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 2387
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-20-2001 11:41 AM
Welcome CJ,"Lincoln Lockers" are good in the dirt, or for demolition derbys. 351, 'cause there's "no replacement for displacement". But it may be cheaper to do it with the skinny motor. Listen to Alex  Good luck, SteveW
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 8591
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 06-20-2001 02:52 PM
A good set of heads, a decent aluminum intake and a 650 to 700 CFM Holley will put you right in the 300-320 HP rainge with the short block and parts you already have. Low 13's are no sweat with your combo. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator
NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00 & '01
Fleet of FoMoCo products
Moneymaker Bio
US Class Nationals link
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CJ,314
Journeyman Posts: 6
From: Westport,Mass.
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 06-21-2001 04:20 PM
Thanks for the welcome,And thankyou Alex for the input,Always best to ask the pros. By the way I was thinking about useing a Performer-RPM intake is there a better choice ? Thankyou ...CJ...
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66351stang
Gearhead Posts: 514
From: sayville,newyork
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 06-28-2001 12:25 AM
351w with out a doubt""""""""""""""------------------
ponycar66,have you flown in a ford latley???????
66-COUPE W/351SVO
glad i had a v-8 !!!!!!
84.5 gt350-61 falcon 302
have a great day!!!!!!!!
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 181
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-28-2001 11:05 AM
The stock heads that came on any SBF are too small for a 302, let alone a 351W. A hopped up 351W with stock heads will make more noise than power. The 351W was considered a "dog" for years before aftermarket heads came out. If you wanted a fast 351, you used a Cleveland... This is how it was... even though the 351W has a better oiling system, thicker cylinder walls, taller deck (good for stroking), and was widely available (and cheap). Add a 400ci stroker kit along with a good set of aftermarket heads, and you've got a stormer on your hands! I would install aftermarket heads on any 351W buildup... They are a must! Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/motorcitymustang/cmml/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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66351stang
Gearhead Posts: 514
From: sayville,newyork
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 06-29-2001 06:14 PM
OR GET YOURSELF A SET OF MASRINE 351W HEAD'S , I HAVE A 351W IN MY 66 AND RUNS VERY STRONG,BORED 30 OVER, 520 LIFT CRANE, 650 EDELBROCK CARB, STOCK MANIFOLD, (WOULD HAVE TO OPEN A HOLE IN THE HOOD WITH A HIGH RISE) HEADERS, 6AL(MSD) COMPLETELY WORKED C-4
410 GEARS, RUNS REAL STRONG.CLEVELAND IS A VERY TIGHT FIT, AND TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY
EXPENSIVE........------------------
ponycar66,have you flown in a ford latley???????
66-COUPE W/351SVO
glad i had a v-8 !!!!!!
84.5 gt350-61 falcon 302
have a great day!!!!!!!!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 2387
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-30-2001 02:14 AM
I ran a performer rpm intake with a 750 Holley under the stock hood. A drop base air cleaner and it fit fine. We used Edelbrock Performer aluminum heads, and as an added plus they droped the weight back down to the 289's weight, maybe less considering the alum. intake and tube headers. Good luck CJ, this combo will have you solidly in the 12's or even lower depending on traction, tranny, etc. SteveW
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66351stang
Gearhead Posts: 514
From: sayville,newyork
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 06-30-2001 08:28 AM
HEY STEVE, what is the height diff, between the performer and the stock manifold. what i had done was put clay on top of the cleaner, and closed the hood, it smushed the clay down to 3/4 of an in thick, which makes me feel i only have 3/4 of an inch, and that was with the stock intake, edelbrock carb, and the 289 hipo air filter..i would love to put a better manifold on. i went as far as i ordered a tear drop scoop, and am looking for a hood ..thanks steve ------------------
ponycar66,have you flown in a ford latley???????
66-COUPE W/351SVO
glad i had a v-8 !!!!!!
84.5 gt350-61 falcon 302
have a great day!!!!!!!!
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 2387
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-30-2001 01:46 PM
The performer rpm intake is about 1.25" taller than a stocker (guessing). You can pick up another 3/4-1" by using a drop base under your airfilter element, still retaining your hi-po cover if you want. Pick up a drop based filter, and just use the bottom. Good luck, it will fit with about 1/2" clearance.SteveW
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66351stang
Gearhead Posts: 514
From: sayville,newyork
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 07-01-2001 10:31 AM
i am going to try that , thanks steve------------------
ponycar66,have you flown in a ford latley???????
66-COUPE W/351SVO
glad i had a v-8 !!!!!!
84.5 gt350-61 falcon 302
have a great day!!!!!!!!
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