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Topic: Different Stick Shifters
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-16-2001 08:33 AM
 
Please bear with me veteran racers, I'm still on the learning curve... Now, I know what a H-pattern shifter is; it's the style of my current 4-spd Hurst 'Street Super Shifter' on my Toploader. To upgrade to a Jerico DR-4 trans, they recommend a V-Gate shifter....Will someone please explain to me what the differences are between a "V-Gate shifter" and a "H-pattern shifter"?
Thanks, Ryan  ------------------
The '3-Pedal Attitude' Kid
in a '69 FB w/ 306 now, but
the 460+ is coming... :D
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F551
Gearhead Posts: 284
From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-16-2001 06:40 PM
Hey Ryan - the Powerglide guy will try and help you out!"V-gate" (as far as I know) refers to a shifter which doesn't have a gate - but you just pull the stick back and forth to go thru the gears "inline", where a "H" gate has the traditional box pattern.
Works similar to a automatic's "ratchet shifter". Will have a seperate lever for reverse, and I think I've seen some with a third lever - for? They are a pretty impressive looking piece! Possibly Tom P might refer to this as a "girly boy" stick? (LOL) ------------------
Fred
68 Mustang 500CID/Powerglide - "No Tubs"
86 Mustang GT Cobra
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6376
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-16-2001 10:23 PM
Heck no Fred, i'm secure enough in my manhood....yadda yadda...besides i have one  Ryan the V-Gate is an H pattern on its side more or less.It has a stick that only moves forward and back,there is a vertical gate (hence the name) in which 1st and 2nd are on the upper "ramp" and 3rd and 4th are on the lower , the gate is the middle. You use a trigger to lift a pin into the upper 1-2 gate,a spring forces it down into 3rd when you move the stick forward from second position.Downshifting is tough.
A regular H pattern will work on a Jerico tho, and is a better choice if street driving is in the plans.
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1889
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-17-2001 02:15 AM
On a vertical gate shifter, there is also a seperate lever for reverse.On my Jerico, I use a LONG vertical gate shifter, its virtually a work of art! This is the shifter Jerico recommends, & it works beautiflly! The Jerico tailhousing has 8 or 10 sets of shifter mounting holes so you can posistion the shifter where you want it.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-17-2001 08:37 AM
Thanks for the shifter education, Gentlemen! Do you guys know of anyone who has used their Hurst H-pattern shifter and built or bought the necessary shifting rods to use it with a Jerico? The description of the V-Gate sounds like it takes some of the "driver involvement" away (which I don't want to loose...heck, it's one of the reasons I have a stick-shifted car in the first place) however, I get the feeling that you guys don't regret the move to the V-Gate...am I right? Would you guys recommend that I simply put the Hurst in the rafters - meaning store it (maybe I could sell it?) and bite the bullet and drop another $440+ into getting the V-gate? Thanks in advance for your insight again!
Ryan ------------------
The '3-Pedal Attitude' Kid
in a '69 FB w/ 306 now, but
the 460+ is coming...  [This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 01-17-2001).]
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6376
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-17-2001 12:46 PM
i have a $40 swap meet Hurst RamRod inline shifter on my Jerico, i made my own shift levers since these needed to be longer than the factory or Hurst ones. Works fine, but the Long shifter is better. Jim Waldo used an H pattern shifter on his B/S Mustang ,the nascar guys all do too
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-17-2001 01:51 PM
TomP,
So sounds like converting my Hurst is doable and for sure less costly.
One more question,,, What is a Long Shifter? Is 'Long' the name of the manufacturer or the style?
Thanks, Ryan
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1889
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-18-2001 03:47 AM
Ryan, A LONG shifter is manufactured by a company called LONG SHIFTERS. They are located in Pennsylvania. I understand that this group took over the Richmond /G Force trans business, formally known as the Doug Nash 5 speed.Over the years I`ve had Hurst Super/Shifters, Comp./Plus`s& a Hurst Ram Rod, a type of V Gate style of shifter. All have perfofmed well, but if your car is going to be raced at the track only, you can`t beat the LONG unit.With the Jerico, you`re not likley to miss a gear anyhow, so the choice is yours.As TomP stated, Jim Waldo DID use a Hurst Super/Shifter for years, however he has had a Long shifter for at least the last year. I asked him how he liked it,& he told me it was great. Eric Waldo also uses this shifter.Also Rob Youngblood & many more.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-18-2001 08:10 AM
Thanks for the clarification and the history review, Rory! Considering what you said, I'm leaning heavily toward going for the LONG shifter. I'll probably try to send the Hurst shifter down the road with the Toploader. I'm also becoming increasingly anxious to get that Jerico & do "some rowing thru the gears" with it! Thanks everyone for your shared imput and opinions!! Ryan ------------------
The '3-Pedal Attitude' Kid
in a '69 FB w/ 306 now, but
the 460+ is coming... :D
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Big D
Gearhead Posts: 6843
From: WELLS, NEVADA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-18-2001 09:55 AM
Hey Ryan,One more post and you're at the big 100  Don ------------------
Previously Known As Don H McDonald
Brilliant Blue 1966 2+2
Parting Out 1985 5.0
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/BigD.html [This message has been edited by Big D (edited 01-18-2001).]
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 772
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-21-2001 06:52 AM
So, did I read that right, you are looking for a home for the toploader and Hurst Shifter. Maybe I could use for my 65 Fastback project. Was a 289 Auto, Going to 351W 4Speed or Tremec 5 speed. How Much $$. E-mail if interested in selling. Ernie - [email protected]------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-23-2001 10:18 PM
One more thing about a "V" gate shifter is that it has a mini "tee" handle that is lifted by your fore and middle finger to engage first gear. They are a blast to drive and require more work that you might think Ryan. They are almost idiot proof as far as missing shifts goes. ------------------
Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
Fleet of FoMoCo products
Moneymaker Bio
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-24-2001 07:51 AM
Hey Guys:
Everyone was enormously helpful with all of the advise & pointers on this post! Ernie, I'll keep you posted as to when my smallblock Toploader & Hurst will be ready to go away. This sure is a GREAT forum!
Thanks,, Ryan ------------------
The '3-Pedal Attitude' Kid
in a '69 FB w/ 306 now, but
the 460+ is coming... :D
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6376
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-24-2001 12:52 PM
I forgot to mention there is another shifter that Long makes ...i've never seen one in person ,but on a NASCAR race (i think Sear point one) they showed the Jerico tranny on a bench and it had a shifter that looked like a T5 shifter that moved square side-by-side sliding arma ,with heim joints at the front . The shift rods attached there.
It was very slick shifting by what i saw ,kept an H pattern,very short throw.
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denny
Journeyman Posts: 95
From: Northfield NH USA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 01-26-2001 10:22 AM
Ryan I use a hurst super shifter 3 on my Jerico. I've had it on there for almost 10 years no problems and only a few of missed shifts. Two of them were 2nd to 1st though that was a little messy on the valve train and the wheel hop was incredible.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-26-2001 11:27 AM
Denny,
#1) Is your Jerico equipped with the optional road-race sliders to allow you to downshift? #2) Assuming you're running a Jerico DR4 unit, what pressureplate/clutch disc have you had the best luck with? #3) Are you running it behind a Big Block or a Small Block? #4) Did you have to fabricate your own shifting rods to make the Hurst Super Shifter 3 work? Thanks in advance for any of your advise & guidance, Ryan
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SundanceKid
Gearhead Posts: 1302
From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 07-03-2001 05:42 AM
Sorry for bringing this up from the dead!I am trying to understand the V-gate and how it works. My buddy had one in his 69 RoadRunner, but I never paid atention to him useing it! LOL My question is you have to lift the fingerlever to get into 1st, bump it and it will go to 2nd, the spring will cause it to go into the 3rd gate then 4th. Right? in order to down shift to 2nd or 1st you would have to pull up on the fingerlever again? So basicly not a road race/street setup? I was thinking it was like the touring car setups?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 07-03-2001 12:50 PM
You only have to lift the "tee" lever to engage first or second gear. It will down shift third by just pushing it back up. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator
NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00 & '01
Fleet of FoMoCo products
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US Class Nationals link
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1889
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 07-03-2001 12:58 PM
Years ago, I ran a Hurst "RAM ROD" inline shifter on my 273 4 speed 65 Valiant. It was fun for a while, but once the novelty wore off, it got to be a pain in the *** (as well as the fingers!) You have to have a LARGE hole in the floor as most of the shifter assembly sticks thru, & the seperate reverse lever was a hassle as well. I think for road racing, it would be too much trouble.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 07-03-2001 01:00 PM
That's a Dodge Dart to us Americans Rory! (lol)  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator
NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00 & '01
Fleet of FoMoCo products
Moneymaker Bio
US Class Nationals link
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JAAZZY
Gearhead Posts: 918
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 07-03-2001 04:00 PM
I thought I'd chime in since I use a Long shifter. I have the Nash 5 speed in my car. The Long shifter I use doesn't have traditional linkage, just heavy metal rods. It is impossible to hit reverse because you need to depress the shifter to get that gear. It's a quality piece and I've never missed a gear. I have used it in daily driving but I think some people might think it's a little stiff.
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