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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-25-2003 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
I have some rear quarter extensions I've stripped about 10 pounds of filler off of, and I need to use something to fill the low spots in a few areas. What's the best stuff to use? I have some spot filler, but I'm not sure if I should use it. We're talking about a few dents the size of a quarter, and about 1/8" deep at the most.

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Fastymz
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posted 05-25-2003 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
10 pounds thats nothing Steve sounds like my car only a lite version.
I like to use a spot filler that comes in a green tube.It's made by 3M sorry I can't think of the name.I start with a small about and just add more as needed.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-25-2003 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
That's what I have too, but I was under the impression that you only used spot putty in tiny amounts.

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Fastymz
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posted 05-25-2003 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
Steve can you work the dents out alittle more.My father inlaw is real good with a hammer and a dent dolly(sp).
I dont have the patients but if you stick to it.I've seen him make dents half the size the started out.And some are almost all gone.I've always been told to use the body filler.In very thine layers.Start with a super thin layer let it dry sand it and add layers as needed.

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Fastymz
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posted 05-25-2003 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
Steve I have body filler thats at least 1/4" thick.It's held up for more then a year yet.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-25-2003 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I am going to try to work them down a little more. I've heard optimal is about the thickness of a credit card or less.

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Dave_C
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posted 05-25-2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C        Reply w/Quote
When I did my 69 about 8 years ago I used Metal-2-Metal filler. It has the same resin as regular body filler, but has fine aluminum shavings instead of plastic powder like the regualr kinds.

The advantage is that the metal in it expands and contracts with the car better than the plastic in the heat or cold. It worked great, never had any cracks or seperations. Even after 8 years taking the pounding that a race car gets. You can get it from Eastwood for $19.99 per quart.
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Fastymz
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posted 05-25-2003 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Yeah, I am going to try to work them down a little more. I've heard optimal is about the thickness of a credit card or less.


Me too thats why I have not rushed into painting my car.I dont want to have it crack on me.I dont have the time or money to do it right.

Work them down the best you can.Just keep working the dent with a hammer.I have watched my father inlaw alot.He does great work.He had spent the last 3 mo's getting his dash ready to be painted.Yes he's a prefectioness,but it pays off.
I took my rear qtr from a smashed mess.To wear most people would never notice it was worked on.

I think I might just shot some paint on my car.And redo it later when I have more time.But then again

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-25-2003 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave_C:
When I did my 69 about 8 years ago I used Metal-2-Metal filler. It has the same resin as regular body filler, but has fine aluminum shavings instead of plastic powder like the regualr kinds.

The advantage is that the metal in it expands and contracts with the car better than the plastic in the heat or cold. It worked great, never had any cracks or seperations. Even after 8 years taking the pounding that a race car gets. You can get it from Eastwood for $19.99 per quart.
http://www.eastwoodco.com/email/default2.asp?SRCCODE=1CJBAN8&PageName=default

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-25-2003 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Me too thats why I have not rushed into painting my car.I dont want to have it crack on me.I dont have the time or money to do it right.

Work them down the best you can.Just keep working the dent with a hammer.I have watched my father inlaw alot.He does great work.He had spent the last 3 mo's getting his dash ready to be painted.Yes he's a prefectioness,but it pays off.
I took my rear qtr from a smashed mess.To wear most people would never notice it was worked on.

I think I might just shot some paint on my car.And redo it later when I have more time.But then again


I work slowly too, but I must say I really like the results I end up with. It won't be done quick, but it will be done right.

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66bluefb
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posted 05-25-2003 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb        Reply w/Quote
Steve,At the body shop I work at we only use spot filler to fill in the pin holes and scratches in bondo. It doesn't hurt to put bondo in places that are 1/8 deep. I wouldn't go much deeper. I have seen spot putty crack when it is put on too heavy. As far as the best bondo I have used a lot of brands and basically they all seem pretty much the same.

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rob73mach1
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posted 05-26-2003 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rob73mach1        Reply w/Quote
Steve, there nothing wrong with body filler as long as they metal was prep right. the finest show cars are full of bondo. if they say there not their lying. good,clean , grinded metal body filler will last for years. as for spot putty, if it don,t have a hardner don't use it. it will shrink on you. call your local paint supply store. they can tell you what the local shops are using. as for spot putty, I use a product made by Evercoat, its a glazing putty that uses a hardner. great stuff. GOOD LUCK.

kcode
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posted 05-26-2003 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode        Reply w/Quote
Steve,
Give your local paint store a call. Some of the fillers are not compatible with all paints. The old Bondo isn't greatest anymore, even though I did fix a dent and crack in the bottom of our bird cage with it.

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posted 05-27-2003 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang        Reply w/Quote
STEVE,

Have you thought about possibly getting those dent remover guys ( dent-x or something like that )over to your place to do there voodoo that they do, then work on the dents that are left if any, if they can not remove the dent to their satisfaction they do not charge for the effort, at least that is how they do it here. My taurus wagon had 7 dents 5 were completely removed, 2 were not done to their satisfaction and there was no charge ( it was good enough for me, could barley notice them )total cost was $75.00. Just a thought to save you some work and bondo.

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rm302 boss
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posted 05-27-2003 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I have some rear quarter extensions I've stripped about 10 pounds of filler off of, and I need to use something to fill the low spots in a few areas. What's the best stuff to use? I have some spot filler, but I'm not sure if I should use it. We're talking about a few dents the size of a quarter, and about 1/8" deep at the most.



Steve if they are low spots i would not use a filler but a pin puller.... You will fall in love the first time you use one..
There is a starter kit for sale in the East wood site that works real well. It will cut down on the filler you have to use and have a better product at the end..
Rene

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rm302 boss
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posted 05-27-2003 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
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Here ya go Steve..... Heres how it works you clean all paint off the metal and find the lowest spot then load a pin in the gun push on the surface and pull the triger and the pin is tack welded to the surface. It comes with a small slide hammer that fits on the newly welded pin and you pop it out... when you are done you grind off the pin and you have nothing but metal and no dent... And best of all no filler....
Rene

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Hell_Fish
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posted 05-27-2003 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish        Reply w/Quote
Rene,
Aren't the extentions pot metal? Will the pins weld well to that?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-27-2003 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Thanks Rene, but I'm talking about a dent the size of a quarter and about 1/16" deep. Plus I have total access to the back so I may be able to knock it shallower still.

I have some areas I need to blend in, I had to redo a former repair on these extensions. They just smeared the bondo to it. I stripped the bondo off and fixed the cracks with JB weld. I don't mean to brag, but it came out nice, you can barely see the repair now and I haven't used the filler yet.

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rm302 boss
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posted 05-29-2003 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rm302 boss        Reply w/Quote
I have a nice set for a 70.. all though they do not have the lower tabs..
Rene

PONYMAN
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posted 05-29-2003 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PONYMAN        Reply w/Quote
Evercoat products are great. I have used them on several cars and have been very happy with the results. They make a polyster filler that uses a hardner, and it is recommended for shallow dents. Great think is that you can sand it in minutes instead of waiting a live time to wait for that old red or green spotting puty to dry. I think most body supply shops sell it. They also make filler for deeper or larger areas.

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Steve:
Having worked a bunch of years ago for a body shop supplier there ain't a lot of difference in body filler most are made by Park chemicak and packaged in different labels,we used to git a semi trailer of it at a time{ one time got a bad batch and had to dispose of it open can add tube hardner and a 1/2 " drill with bent rod to mix it so it would kick off and harden in cah so trash would take it do you know how much heat 20 skids 54cases/skid 4gallons a case makes in a closed warehouse and the smell IDO}.
We used to go to body shop sand the men would say that stuff is {ours}no good,this brand is better when ti's the same stuff different label.
As I remember there is 2 manufatures for the resin and 3/4 for the talke {FILLER} in the US ofA. and Park bought from all of them as needed.

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posted 05-30-2003 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wvcat        Reply w/Quote
I agree with everybody else on the bondo debate, I haven't seen much uf a difference in any of it other then the light or regular weight. I use the light weight for everything because I think it sand out smoother. I also use the evercoat finnishing putty, it is the best I have ever used. the stuff in the tubes is good for filling minor scratches and thats it, it will ruin your paint job if you put it on thick. I only skim an area with it and sand it all back off except the lines from scratches.
Good luck
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