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adragon8u
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posted 08-25-2003 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi guys/gals
I have a chance to aquire 5 centerlines with tires that are 5 lug that came off a 68. my question is...do i have to change the whole rearend or just switch out the axels and install larger brake shoes and drum. as for the front, do i have to change the spindle or just go with larger shoes and drum? thanks you.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-25-2003 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have the 7 1/4" rear, you'll need to swap to at least an 8" to get 5 lugs. In the front you'll need to swap to all V8 stuff. {...which you should do anyway if you have a V8 in there.}

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lyle29464
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posted 08-25-2003 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464   Click Here to Email lyle29464     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you lived closer I would have a great deal for you "all of it free" the freight would cost more than it's worth.

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adragon8u
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posted 08-25-2003 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lyle29464:
If you lived closer I would have a great deal for you "all of it free" the freight would cost more than it's worth.


DANG! that would have been great. thanks or the thought. I'm sure something will come along at the right time, these things usually do. thanks again.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 08-26-2003 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might be able to get an 8" out of a granada for cheap.

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BlueMule
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posted 08-26-2003 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This might be your answer. Them little ol' 4 lug parts have to go.

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adragon8u
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posted 08-27-2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. I didn't get the 5 lug centerlines, but here's my next thought and you guys can tell me if i'm p***ing in the wind or not. I'm willing to trade my 289 for a stock 6 to go back into the 66, but the person with the 6 has to do the swap, or at least assist because i have zip in knowledge on this.

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senzstang
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posted 08-27-2003 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for senzstang   Click Here to Email senzstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My car was exactly the same as yours when I bought it - 6cyl converted to 8 cyl but suspension left at 6cyl set up. I converted all the suspension to 8 cyl with granada discs and 8" rear out of a 66. I am very glad I switched. Difference in ride, stopping ability and safety was worth it to me. But, it was a lot work and a lot of money. It would have been much cheaper to go back to a six cylinder. With all that said, you have to decide - run it like it is, upgrade suspension, go back to six cyl.
Personally, I would go back to a 6.

Phil

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adragon8u
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posted 08-27-2003 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by senzstang:
My car was exactly the same as yours when I bought it - 6cyl converted to 8 cyl but suspension left at 6cyl set up. I converted all the suspension to 8 cyl with granada discs and 8" rear out of a 66. I am very glad I switched. Difference in ride, stopping ability and safety was worth it to me. But, it was a lot work and a lot of money. It would have been much cheaper to go back to a six cylinder. With all that said, you have to decide - run it like it is, upgrade suspension, go back to six cyl.
Personally, I would go back to a 6.


Phil



that's where my thought is now because i can't really afford to switch my suspension or rearend. and a 6 would be the least expensive way to go. I'm not a hot rodder. this is just something to drive once in awhile.

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senzstang
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posted 08-27-2003 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for senzstang   Click Here to Email senzstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll also get much better mileage with the 6. Since you are not interested in going real fast the 6 is a good choice. Just make sure your not trading a 289 HiPo engine for the 6!

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adragon8u
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posted 08-27-2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by senzstang:
You'll also get much better mileage with the 6. Since you are not interested in going real fast the 6 is a good choice. Just make sure your not trading a 289 HiPo engine for the 6!


I'm pretty sure it's not a hipo because of the 2bbl intake. just a basic 289 out of a 67 galaxie i believe.

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Fastymz
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posted 08-28-2003 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no reason why you can't keep the 289.If your not interested in doing any big moods.Then the 6 suspension will work fine.Just take it easy off the line.As for brakes they need to be the best you can afford does not matter if it's for a 6 or an 8.Make the 289 run as good as you can an enjoy your classic Mustang.

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senzstang
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posted 08-28-2003 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for senzstang   Click Here to Email senzstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not leave it as is. I have to tell you having driven around with 4 9" drum brakes and a single "jelly" jar brake master cylinder was a scary feeling. At a minimum you should change the master cylinder to dual resevoir.
That is just me though. Many people are comfortable to run as is. I can't help myself from tinkering!

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wvcat
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posted 08-28-2003 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wvcat   Click Here to Email wvcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 66 coupe project I'm working on thats a 6 to v8 swap. So far I've installed a 9" rearend from a 67 (I know its too wide but I had it already with a 3:73 tracloc). I also temporarily installed a set of 67 5 lug front drums but I now have a set of 70 disc's thats going on instaed. I've already changed the manual box to a ps box and I just got a ps setup from ebay that I am rebuilding. I also adapted a fox booster, a maverick prop valve, and still need to install the mc & lines but its getting there slowly. This is going to be a driver for my wife and I don't want to trust thier safety to an outdated brake system. I am at a delima right now because I was going to install a 351w/AOD combo with the headman swap headers but I think I might pick up a 289/302 instead, it'll be plenty for the wife.
Good luck whichever way you go but I vote to get rid of the jelly jar m/c even if you leave the small brakes on it.
John

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adragon8u
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posted 08-28-2003 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adragon8u   Click Here to Email adragon8u     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks to everyone.

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