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johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 4727 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 04-30-2003 08:41 PM Had the carb fixed and the car runs great now, no hesitation or stumbling, choke works. Where my problem is now, is the fellow that did the work messed with the timing and the car is really heating up at a stop light or at idle. He is gone for the next 4 weeks on holiday and I don,t know where he set the timing, he left me a message that the car was ready and to come and pick it up. It does get very hot pretty quick, it seems to be O.K. when I am driving, but even then it is higher than it was before he messed with it. I have no way of getting hold of him to see where he set everything, before he did this the car ran a very good temperature and never got over half on the gage even when I let it idle for 1/2 an hour. What are your suggestions on this one, is it to far advanced or retarded ? Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated, I am concerned about doing any trip now especially if it involves any long hills or sustained highway driving with the RPM`s up in the 2800 to 3200 range. JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 34763 From: Saco, Maine Registered: May 99	posted 04-30-2003 08:53 PM Do you have a timing light? I'd put it at 10 degree TDC. ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Please remember our sponsors, Mustangs Plus, NPD, Osborn Reproductions, MyFordPerformance.com, and FordRamAir.com IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 12673 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 04-30-2003 08:58 PM John have you ever checked the timing before? If not it's real easy to do.I'd do what ever Steve says too.He's one of the brightest guys around.(that was a pretty good kiss up,huh) ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
Fastback68 Gearhead Posts: 1880 From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines Registered: Jul 99	posted 04-30-2003 09:08 PM quote: If not it's real easy to do. Pretty please, Scoop, give us a blow by blow of how you do it! I've set timing loads of times by feel, and although I think I must be getting pretty good at it, I always feel I've got too much guesswork in there. IP: Logged
johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 4727 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 04-30-2003 09:16 PM quote: Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere: Do you have a timing light? I'd put it at 10 degree TDC. Steve, I have a timing light, the guy that did the work left the paper-work behind and his crony said that he set it at 6 degrees. Will this cause the car to heat up the way it is doing it ? With the work that is done to the engine is 10 degrees the proper setting or is that my starting point ? Sorry for all the questions and I am not trying to second guess you, just trying to learn and get it right as well as get the car running correctly. JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 12673 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 04-30-2003 09:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Fastback68: [QUOTE]If not it's real easy to do. Pretty please, Scoop, give us a blow by blow of how you do it! I've set timing loads of times by feel, and although I think I must be getting pretty good at it, I always feel I've got too much guesswork in there.[/QUOTE] Your trouble 34 Total timing in at 2500rpm thats what my motor likes. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html [This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 04-30-2003).] IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 12673 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 04-30-2003 09:26 PM John start at 10,and see how it runs.Dont forget to plug your vanance on the dist 1st. ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 4727 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 04-30-2003 10:19 PM quote: Originally posted by Fastymz: John start at 10,and see how it runs.Dont forget to plug your vanance on the dist 1st. O.K. Ron what is the vanance and where is it located on my distributor and how do I plug it ? JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK [This message has been edited by johnmustang (edited 04-30-2003).] IP: Logged
horseballz Gearhead Posts: 206 From: LasVegas,NV Registered: Dec 99	posted 04-30-2003 10:58 PM lol, John, That's just SCOOP fumblin' with his jruniard (keyboard) again. What he meant was don't forget to remove your vaccuum advance hose from your distributor and plug it before checking the initial timing and hook it back up before checking total timing and driving it. SCOOP, please don't be offended as you have publicly admitted having some sort of computer fumblexia. Gene (horseballz) [This message has been edited by horseballz (edited 04-30-2003).] IP: Logged
74merc Gearhead Posts: 761 From: Demopolis AL Registered: Jun 99	posted 04-30-2003 11:08 PM on that note... I had an argument with a guy recently, he swears 6BTDC is stock timing. My car's own sticker calls for 12BTDC. It will not run at 6. Neither will my cousin's 68 Fairlane 289. 10BTDC is baseline is my understanding... Chilton's is the only place I've heard 6* as base. Anyone care to comment? IP: Logged
carhartted Journeyman Posts: 61 From: Fairbanks, Alaska Registered: Feb 2003	posted 04-30-2003 11:19 PM Would'nt a lean condition raise engine temperature? Jonathan IP: Logged
Fastymz Moderator Posts: 12673 From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240 Registered: Apr 2001	posted 05-01-2003 12:14 AM quote: Originally posted by horseballz: lol, John, That's just SCOOP fumblin' with his jruniard (keyboard) again. What he meant was don't forget to remove your vaccuum advance hose from your distributor and plug it before checking the initial timing and hook it back up before checking total timing and driving it. SCOOP, please don't be offended as you have publicly admitted having some sort of computer fumblexia. Gene (horseballz) [This message has been edited by horseballz (edited 04-30-2003).] What Gene said Sorry I was in a hurry{yea thats it a hurry} Jonathan,yes a lean condition can cause a motor to run more hot. Gene it's all good ------------------ SCOOP oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S 14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html IP: Logged
1_ZoNiE Gearhead Posts: 581 From: Arizona - M&M Member No. 1968 & Owner/Driver of a 1968 Mustang Coupe! ~Happiness is Matching Numbers~ Registered: Mar 2002	posted 05-01-2003 12:24 AM So now, John for the big questions. Did the mechanic change the carb jets or did he do away with the power valve to compensate for the lag? Was the choke stuck in the close position before and how do the plugs look? Inquiring minds want to know. ------------------ Jim 68 Mustang Coupe...My Show Car. Winning over 60 "dust free" awards! IP: Logged
johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 4727 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 05-01-2003 12:43 AM quote: Originally posted by 1_ZoNiE: So now, John for the big questions. Did the mechanic change the carb jets or did he do away with the power valve to compensate for the lag? Was the choke stuck in the close position before and how do the plugs look? Inquiring minds want to know. I will dive into it tomorrow myself, I really believe that the timing is the big problem. I will do as Steve said and go to 10 degree TDC and see what happens from there. I will play with it until it is running O.K. , I will post my findings and what I did to make it better or worse . I know with the help of M&M it will all be good in the end. JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK IP: Logged
bibbs68 Gearhead Posts: 1142 From: Jackson, TN Registered: Sep 2000	posted 05-01-2003 11:38 AM 74MERC, A friend of mine has worked on fords for years and he says that from the factory on the 289 it should be 6. I have my engine set at 6 and it runs great. I'm sure, as you have found out that everyone will tell you something different. With my friend saying 6* and my car running good at 6*, I tend to think he is correct. Of course, it could be a fluke! IP: Logged
70 Pony Gearhead Posts: 1814 From: Glenmoore, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2000	posted 05-01-2003 01:17 PM My 2 cents John...worth 1 cent....the easiest timing light is the one with the increment dial on the back....it's numbered. crawl under the car and put a dab of white paint on your balancer at TDC.. Aim the light and starting at zero slowly turn the dial until your pointer and the white mark are even. Look at the dial and what ever number is on the timing light dial is where your timing is set. If your not detonating or pinging I doubt you are too far advanced. My PONY loves LOTS of timing....I am embarassed to tell you what my initial is set at. Good Luck ------------------ EDDIE D Resto Mod '70 Sport Roof Arrest Me Red '02 GT, Torch Red '66 Coupe Project, "Mustang Marauder. "If I knew I would have lived this long, I would have taken better care of myself !" "U.S. Marines; First to go. Last to know !" IP: Logged
johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 4727 From: British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 05-01-2003 01:25 PM quote: Originally posted by 70 Pony: My 2 cents John...worth 1 cent....the easiest timing light is the one with the increment dial on the back....it's numbered. crawl under the car and put a dab of white paint on your balancer at TDC.. Aim the light and starting at zero slowly turn the dial until your pointer and the white mark are even. Look at the dial and what ever number is on the timing light dial is where your timing is set. If your not detonating or pinging I doubt you are too far advanced. My PONY loves LOTS of timing....I am embarassed to tell you what my initial is set at. Good Luck Good to see you posting Eddie and thanks for the advice, I am sure that my timing is going to need to be in the 10* to 14* range, I will let everybody know what is happening with it. Just for my own curiosity what are you set at ? Thanks paisson JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK IP: Logged
70 Pony Gearhead Posts: 1814 From: Glenmoore, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2000	posted 05-01-2003 02:17 PM MY INITIAL IS 18 AND ABOUT 36 AT 3000 rpm'S. I'VE ACTUALLY HAD IT HIGHER BUT STAY IN THS 16 TO 18 RANGE FOR "SAFETY SAKE"... THAT TIMING LIGHT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN GOLD...GOT MINE AT SEARS FOR ABOUT $70. GO GET 'EM "Y..O" ------------------ EDDIE D Resto Mod '70 Sport Roof Arrest Me Red '02 GT, Torch Red '66 Coupe Project, "Mustang Marauder. "If I knew I would have lived this long, I would have taken better care of myself !" "U.S. Marines; First to go. Last to know !" IP: Logged

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