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Topic: Fiberglass Hood Q's
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-07-2003 08:07 PM
 
I'm considering putting a Shelby style hood on my '66. How much work is it to get the hoods ready for paint? What's involved?
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9835
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-07-2003 08:49 PM
Have you ever painted a boat? It's similar, just depending on whether you want it to look like fiberglass or nice flat steel. To me it's ok if a glass hood looks like fiberglass.  SteveW
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-07-2003 08:55 PM
Steve that depends if it's on a Ford or a Mopower.  I sanded and painted my glass scoop.It was not dfferent then on other painting and sanding I've done.Expect if you sand to hard in place for to long you'll end with a new hole. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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jsracingbbf
unregistered
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posted 04-07-2003 10:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Have you ever painted a boat? It's similar, just depending on whether you want it to look like fiberglass or nice flat steel. To me it's ok if a glass hood looks like fiberglass. SteveW
Steve, fiberglass looks different than steel after you paint it?
maybe it's my eyesight. ------------------
Jerry
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
70 Mustang retired former footbrake car
Jimmy: ( S-10 driver/friend ) Hey Jer how do you like my flames I painted on the old Bowtie?
Jerry: Nice but you didn't have to do that, if you ever get it going fast enough at the strip it'll catch fire.
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3415
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-07-2003 11:26 PM
The biggest problem will be the fit, the finishing will be the easiest. It will take some sanding, possibly alot of sanding. There is a variety of suppliers and prices. You get what you pay for. Some have finished undersides, some don't. Some have the scoop opening cut out, some don't. For a street car, I would get the metal frame, thats just my opinion. Mike
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SundanceKid
Gearhead Posts: 1302
From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-08-2003 03:28 AM
If you look realy close on a dark colored car with a fiberglass part you can see the fiber strands. Worse if they used fiber mat. I think the only fiberglass you can't see if you get up close is chopped glass...which is good for looks crap for strength.
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carhartted
Journeyman Posts: 61
From: Fairbanks, Alaska
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 04-08-2003 04:59 AM
I have a shelby style fiberglass hood with scoop on my 66. It after I had it painted it looked just like the metal parts exept for a blemish in the fiber glass in one corner. It looks like a crese or something, I never really minded.One thing to consider is getting different hood springs. When I rebult my car I never ran the car with the original hood, when I was putting it all back together I used the stock springs and when I went to shut the hood for the first time it couldn't take the stress and the paint cracked on the leading edge. Bummer to say the least. I purchased a set of springs meant for a fiberglass hood but they don't hold the hood up. I carry a sort nice looking stick to hold the hood open now. Jonathan
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-08-2003 08:40 AM
The Cervini hood on my truck looks smooth, but it took an extra $400 of block sanding to get it that way. You couldn't see any fiberglass strands, even when it was bare, but there were ripples along the edges that were tough to get out. It's perfectly smooth now, and it's been 3+ years since we put it on.------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-08-2003 08:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by carhartted:
I carry a sort nice looking stick to hold the hood open now.
I installed a hood prop rod from a fox Mustang. It looks and work factory, and it was surprisingly cheap at the Ford dealer. ------------------
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jsracingbbf
unregistered
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posted 04-08-2003 09:42 AM
Must be the quality of the fiberglass parts that shows strands. I've been using VFN and U.S. body source for better than 10 years now on several different cars and friends cars. Dark color or light color the paint always turned out O.K., no difference between metal and glass. I've had to coach a piece or two into a good fit, but you can't tell the difference between glass and metal if it is a good piece that has been painted, prepped properly. Seen too many good ones out there at race tracks.------------------
Jerry
69 Mustang Pro ET Drag
70 Mustang retired former footbrake car
Jimmy: ( S-10 driver/friend ) Hey Jer how do you like my flames I painted on the old Bowtie?
Jerry: Nice but you didn't have to do that, if you ever get it going fast enough at the strip it'll catch fire.
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bill haab
Gearhead Posts: 474
From: south bend in.
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-08-2003 03:14 PM
I ORDERED MY HOOD FROM MAIER RACING. If you are going to order a hood you better hurry up my hood is still not here 9 weeks later. that elenor project car is holding every one up.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 04-08-2003 04:31 PM
Maier Racing Enterprises (MRE) does has GOOD stuff,
[check it out @: http://maierracing.com ] but they do take a LONG time to deliver it!  Ryan [This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 04-08-2003).]
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-09-2003 08:19 PM
Thanks for all the responses guys. I have to think that the shipping on one of those from CA would be a non-starter. Anyone recommend a GT350 style fiberglass hood on the east coast?When you are talking about sanding, are you adding bondo to the mix also? Or is this just sanding down the rough spots? I'll be painting it silver-blue (original '66 color) with the white shelby stripes. I've never painted a boat either, although I've cleaned plenty with hull cleaner!!  If I had all my druthers, I'd want a metal framed, finished underside, and an open scoop. Anyone point me in the right direction?
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-09-2003 08:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
When you are talking about sanding, are you adding bondo to the mix also? Or is this just sanding down the rough spots?
They build it up with sanding primer, lay a fogger coat over it, then use a sanding board to level the surface. ------------------
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-09-2003 08:33 PM
They meaning who? The original manufacturer, the painter-prepper, or me? Are you saying this is something I should stay away from?   Maybe you know me better than I thought you did!!
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-09-2003 08:58 PM
They, meaning whoever preps your hood for paint. It's not really hard to do, just takes a lot of attention to detail and patience. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Please remember our sponsors,
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3415
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-10-2003 12:10 AM
Try Tony Branda Performance in Altoona Pa. he specializes in Shelby stuff 800-458-3477.Or if your pockets are deep, Perogies or Bill Herndon in Gaithersburg Md I think thats where he is, I bought a console from him years ago. Mike
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1459
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 04-10-2003 12:47 AM
I live 5 mins away from Maier Racing. He supposedly supplies Mustangs Plus and i've heard they take priority. I've heard mixed results.Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored
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SundanceKid
Gearhead Posts: 1302
From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-10-2003 04:05 AM
I wasn't happy with maier, and I even got mine free after everything was said and done. US Body sells great hoods in Florida.
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RADRIDE
Gearhead Posts: 305
From: Va.Beach, Va.
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 04-10-2003 11:58 AM
I got my hood from Maier and the main reason was even tho he supplies MustangPlus and price was same I had a concern about shipping.I live on very east coast of Va Beach.He sends all his air frieght.Getting it shipped was the biggest pain, but once shipped I got it in 2 days.Totaled 3 months!Branda is good when I order large items I get them to bring it to Carlisle and pick it up there.No extra charge.Saved a ton on roll bar &rear shelf.My maier hood was in good shape for finishing.Not a show car tho.
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65Restomod.com
Journeyman Posts: 43
From: Spring, TX United States
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 04-10-2003 01:52 PM
Check out my site...there are several pics of my hood.
Here are some of the things I did placing a shelby stly fiberglass hood on my 65:
1. The hood is made well, but don't expect it to fit exactly like an original hood.
2. You will need to have it prepped by your painter. Mine had quite a few highs and lows in it and was prepped with basically a liquid fiberglass compound. (Don't remember the name of the stuff) $300 to prep the hood.
3. Structure of the hood is very good. I don't run any type of spring on the hood just the hinges. The hood latch and everything lines up well.One more very important decision.....If you decide to go with a hood like this, order it and fit it to your application ASAP. I ordered mine from Mustangs Plus and kept in in a bedroom upstairs for about 9 months while finishing my restoration and when it came time to fit it, the hood was bowed pretty badly about 2" on each side of the fenders. My buddy ordered one and it fit very good so I was confident mine would as well. Mustang's Plus couldn't do much about it since I could have "stored it wrong", plus I already paid to have the hood preped because I was in a hurry to get it painted once my front-end was back together. I was given $75 in store credit but still working with a fiberglass shop up the street to help me try to reduce the bow in it. I love the way the hood looks, but the fit really bothers me. ------------------
http://65Restomod.com
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RADRIDE
Gearhead Posts: 305
From: Va.Beach, Va.
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 04-11-2003 11:54 AM
I dont run any springs & I didnt like a prop rod so a friend showed me how he bent some stainless rod (looked like welding rod)one side 90 degrees and the other side like a hook made sure of lenght and it mounts where spring would be.It works great,but dont leave it alone at MCA show for judging as they will try to close hood to check for fit.This is not a good thing as they will not notice the set up.Thats what I like about it unlike a prop rod.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 04-11-2003 04:14 PM
I have a question to all you fellas that have a quality-built fiberglass hood (Cervini, VFN, MAIER RACING or U.S. Body Source) ---
Do they really weigh 10, 20, 30lbs less than an OEM hood?Ryan
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-11-2003 04:39 PM
Mine may be different because it's a truck, but I think it weighs more than the stock hood! It may be because of the missing hinge springs, but MAN is that hood HEAVY!------------------
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-11-2003 09:16 PM
So that begs the question to those of you who have done this.....would you do it again?
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9835
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-11-2003 10:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
So that begs the question to those of you who have done this.....would you do it again?
Absolutely! But if it's a show car expect to spend a few hundred dollars or a lot of your labor to make it look like sheetmetal. If it's a race car, who cares. SteveW
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1724
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 04-12-2003 01:37 AM
I spent a lot of hours blocking mine down flat. Fitting it was pretty easy. One bit of advice. Put a lot of sanding sealer on it before you start sanding and and try not to sand through the original gelcoat. The fiberglass gets rough and porous and is hard to get back smooth. Mine is cheap with only an outer box frame, but it works good as a street/strip hood and only weighs 24 lbs with the scoop.  ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, Xtreme 274 Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi.
2nd pass: 12.11 @ 114 mph
DanH
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RADRIDE
Gearhead Posts: 305
From: Va.Beach, Va.
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 04-13-2003 08:20 PM
Without question.Most people see the cowl hood on mine and are looking for something other than the Shelby hood and didnt think the cowl was for them,but they seem to like what they can see.And even if I save 1 or 2 lbs if its over front wheels its worth it.I like to road race and it matters!
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-13-2003 09:32 PM
Mine is strictly a weekend funmobile. The hood that is on it now is perfectly salvagable, just needs paint. I'm getting ready to dig into it and get it the way I want it. I'm not a dragstrip guy, but like my street performance. I've been toying with the idea of a GT350 hood with the white shelby stripes on the original silver blue car color. It's a coupe, so obviously it would stand out as non-stock that way. I've already modded the suspension, and rims, so I'm not overly concerned with originality.I'm also going to swap out the 2V carb for a 4V, and probably some GT40 heads. I plan to make it quite a bit more powerful, probably real gears too ( to Sam). Somewhere in there I'll be redoing the interior. I'm just trying to decide if all the $$ on a GT350 hood would be worth it? I'm also going to put the dual exhaust through the rear valence also. I really like that look. Probably not trumpets though as I hear they don't sound so hot.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-14-2003 12:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
So that begs the question to those of you who have done this.....would you do it again?
I wouldn't. ------------------
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 1069
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 01-23-2004 10:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
Thanks for all the responses guys. I have to think that the shipping on one of those from CA would be a non-starter. Anyone recommend a GT350 style fiberglass hood on the east coast?
Get the shelby hood from Branda he is in Altoona Pa. Ask for the one with underside metal frame with the red Gelcoat and you won;t be disappointed. If they say they can;t get you the red gelcoat let me know the shop that produces them is close to me. Real Close! ------------------
67 Mustang Shelby clone F/B 302 GT-40X FMS Crate engine 5 spd cable clutch 13.39 on 205/70/14 BFG @104 mph Flowmasters X Pipe 4.11 9". BIG Body shop NOW! 03 Focus ZX3 BORLA exhaust Wings West spoiler (Arrest ME RED) [This message has been edited by Tom G (edited 01-23-2004).]
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AGURDI590
Journeyman Posts: 9
From: Boca RatonFL33434
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-09-2006 05:46 PM
Hello I put a fiberglass hood on My Gt 350 recreation and it was awesome looking for about a year ..then all of a sudden I noticed the hood frame was swelling through the paint and causing imperfections to show under the clear (the best I can describe it is it still felt flat on top but the basecoat showed the frame marks under the clear coat) Has any one dealt with this problem ? My body man says it will happen again if we resurface it and paint it again. he suggests we go with a new hood ..possibly kevlar to eliminate the swelling fiberglass tends to have
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jeffstar
Gearhead Posts: 161
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 11-10-2006 08:41 PM
I was told that Branda gets hoods from Legendary. Legendary is just down the road from me and they sure do nice work.------------------
65 Mustang fastback
Stroked 351W, G-Force 5spd
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-11-2006 06:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AGURDI590:
...to eliminate the swelling fiberglass tends to have...
Are you able to determine the CAUSE of the swelling? Ryan
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 11-13-2006 10:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tom G:
Ask for the one with underside metal frame
Absolutely go with the metal frame instead of the fiberglass frame. Mine is starting to warp (from engine heat I guess...and stock hood hinge springs instead of light tension springs). Plus the fiberglass framework is starting to show through in the paint.
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66 GT350H clone
302, Holley 600, Tri-Y headers, Flowmasters, power front disc brakes.
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Aussie XAXB
Gearhead Posts: 131
From: North Olmsted, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 11-13-2006 02:02 PM
I see this was originally an old thread.I got a fiberglass Shelby hood for my wife's 66 coupe for Christmas last year. I got it from Northcoast Mustang which is the closest supply place to me. I am about 15 minutes west of Cleveland, Ohio. I was told by them that they got it from Tony Branda. It has the steel reinforcement underneath and was covered with a brick red glaze. It's a really nice piece and looks sharp. Yes, it is much lighter than the factory steel hood. Steve ------------------
My Mad Max Interceptor Project http://xaxbinterceptor.tripod.com Wife's 1966 Mustang Site http://purplestang66.tripod.com My Custom Part Site http://www.artisticmachine.com
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