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Topic: Anti-theft Fuel Cut-off Switch
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rdw40
Journeyman Posts: 50
From: Hockessin, DE USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 01-12-2003 10:29 AM
 
Has anyone installed a fuel cut-off switch under the seat or dash that would not allow the car to be driven any distance without "running out" of gas, and if so, where was it run to and how was it done? Thank you.------------------
'68 Mustang Fastback
'98 Jeep Wrangler
'02 Jeep Grnd Cherokee
'02 Honda Accord
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 01-12-2003 01:16 PM
Works if you have an electric fuel pump. I cant think of a way to stop a mechanical fuel pump from working without a little valve in the gas line. If you have an electric fuel pump just route the wire under the seat, and install a switch so that it wont run unless the switch is on.This wont always stop the car from starting (if its a carb engine) but youll get far enough down the road on the fuel thats in the carb to get you onto the middle lane of the freeway  So remember when you use it!
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 01:18 PM
My anti-theft device~Smith & Wesson  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 01:48 PM
Two small things you can do,
1. a hidden battery cut off switch
2. remove coil wire and take it with you
A few other things that work.Leave a big *** dog in the car.
OR take the car with you every where you go.
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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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rdw40
Journeyman Posts: 50
From: Hockessin, DE USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 01-12-2003 01:56 PM
Thanks. I like the idea of the battery cutoff switch, but then would I have to recalibrate the electronic speedometer every time I cut it off?
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 02:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rdw40:
Thanks. I like the idea of the battery cutoff switch, but then would I have to recalibrate the electronic speedometer every time I cut it off?
No I'm sure you could wire a by pass so your radio mem, and speed-O have power all the time. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 6748
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 02:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
remove coil wire and take it with you
No good Ron, had a buddy that used to do that all the time with his cougar, when the car was found, they had just pulled a lead off and used it as the coil wire, the car probably ran like sh!t, but you can still drive it while it only runs on 7 cylinders. They had stolen the, tires and wheels, hood, trunk and windshield  . Bastards like that should be shot. JOHN  ------------------
65 2+2 FASTBACK
87 TAURUS WAGON
98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
M&M #1710
MyPhotoPage
MY TRUCK
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Red65
Gearhead Posts: 116
From: Northglenn, CO, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 01-12-2003 02:33 PM
That's why I always removed the distributor rotor. Car won't start, and it's not obvious what's wrong when you open the hood.
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70SportsRoof
Gearhead Posts: 1064
From: Orange County, CA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 05:39 PM
For the fuel pump you could just mount a toggle switch in line from the pump to the power source. I have one on my '70, but not for anti-theft But I have used it for such purposes), but just so I can turn off the pump when needed.------------------
Gary M.-
1970 Mustang Deluxe SportsRoof (daily driver), 1946 Ford pickup, 1947 Ford pickup, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Vic
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:00 PM
John from what I've seen 1st hand.If they really want your car they will get it.No matter what cut off's or what you remove.
The only way to be 90% sure no one will take it.Is to never ever leave your car.
It's all a matter of making your car the least easy to steal.
Park in well lit areas,try to always park were you can see the car,dont leave items in the car where people can see them.Park near other cars that are even more desirable them yours,that part is easy for me. ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
John from what I've seen 1st hand.If they really want your car they will get it.No matter what cut off's or what you remove.
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
Unless... quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
My anti-theft device~Smith & Wesson
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1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:08 PM
Todd I saw a car once that had the club on it.They took the whole wheel off and drove the car with vise grips for a steering wheel.  ------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:11 PM
a**holes  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 6748
From: British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
John from what I've seen 1st hand.If they really want your car they will get it.
You are absolutely right Ron, I don,t know that there really is a way to safeguard your car if somebody is dead set on taking it. Like I said before those bastards should be shot. I kinda have a feeling that Stewart would be first in line holding the gun. JOHN ------------------
65 2+2 FASTBACK
87 TAURUS WAGON
98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
M&M #1710
MyPhotoPage
MY TRUCK
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:13 PM
I have a hard time watching nasty football injuries on the tube, but I'd have absolutely no problem introducing a thief to my magnum ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-12-2003 06:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by johnmustang:
I kinda have a feeling that Stewart would be first in line holding the gun. JOHN
Right after he showed how the "CLUB" was made to be used.I think if Stewart and seen them trying to steal his car.There would be a few less people taking up space today. Any theft makes me mad,go out and buy our stuff like everyone else. I try to never leave my car anywere I cant see it.I'm real lucky to have a garage for it.
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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 661
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 01-13-2003 05:07 AM
For those of you with a MSD6-A, the box comes with great kill switch. On the top of the box, next to the tach output, there is a connector with two wires (a green & a purple one). If you ground one of them (Depending on the wire you are using for triggering the box)the ignition will be disabled. I just installed a regular wire connector under the dash next to the ignition switch. It must be disconnected for the car to run
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ccode67
Gearhead Posts: 3285
From: douglasville,ga,usa
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-13-2003 07:57 AM
Those of you with manual trannys can find the wires that would go to the neutral safety switch on an automatic, put a switch on those two wires and you have a kill switch.------------------
Stuart
MCA #48902
M&M #1091
67 stang 5 speed, 351W,
Edelbrock Performer RPM package http://www.mustangsandmore.50megs.com/ccode67.html
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-13-2003 08:25 AM
A good hood lock goes a long way. 65/6's are a bit difficult to lock, chain, cable lock, etc. I made a very simple locking device for 67/8 that is foolproof-you better not lose the key! Then, you do your disabling under the hood. A fuel shut off, battery shut off are very good. As for the flatbed gang, Stay out of flatbed prone areas. A good deterent is a brake lock that keeps the brake pedal inoperative. The newer cars require the brake pedal to be depressed prior to engaging the trans. Possibly, a switch that requires this and a brake lock. All of these things are deterrents-slowdowns-not absolutes.
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Pierre
Gearhead Posts: 661
From: Near Paris, France
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 01-13-2003 10:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
A good hood lock goes a long way. 65/6's are a bit difficult to lock, chain, cable lock, etc. I made a very simple locking device for 67/8 that is foolproof-you better not lose the key!
.......& make sure you have the key handy in case of a fire. A friend of mine lost his 69 because by the time he found the key the hood was too hot to touch
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 911
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 01-13-2003 10:44 AM
Couldn't a coil cut off be installed as well? Leaves the battery, to keep power to things that need it, but no spark.
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ccode67
Gearhead Posts: 3285
From: douglasville,ga,usa
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-13-2003 12:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
A good hood lock goes a long way. 65/6's are a bit difficult to lock, chain, cable lock, etc. I made a very simple locking device for 67/8 that is foolproof-you better not lose the key! Then, you do your disabling under the hood. A fuel shut off, battery shut off are very good. As for the flatbed gang, Stay out of flatbed prone areas. A good deterent is a brake lock that keeps the brake pedal inoperative. The newer cars require the brake pedal to be depressed prior to engaging the trans. Possibly, a switch that requires this and a brake lock. All of these things are deterrents-slowdowns-not absolutes.
I've been thinking about a hood lock for my 67, do you have any pictures of the one you made??? ------------------
Stuart
MCA #48902
M&M #1091
67 stang 5 speed, 351W,
Edelbrock Performer RPM package http://www.mustangsandmore.50megs.com/ccode67.html
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1459
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 01-13-2003 12:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
John from what I've seen 1st hand.If they really want your car they will get it.No matter what cut off's or what you remove.
The only way to be 90% sure no one will take it.Is to never ever leave your car.
It's all a matter of making your car the least easy to steal.
Park in well lit areas,try to always park were you can see the car,dont leave items in the car where people can see them.Park near other cars that are even more desirable them yours,that part is easy for me.
Hey Fellas, Ron has some excellent ideas and is right about if someone really wants your car they'll take it. I have to add some to Scoops suggestions as well. -Car Cover, people can't steal what they can't see. A bit much for the parking lot situation but great for home.
-Multiple kill switches at various different locations. Who the heck would know the combinations of which switch needs to be toggled which way?!?!
-Hood locks (Cables, chains, hood pins, etc)
-Clubs for brakes/steering wheels (if a novice thief is scrolling down a row of cars, he's bound to pass this up. I used to be a kid and had thug friends too ya know? )
-Alarm, also good for the novice thief. Ron, even if you stay with your car, the ever popular method of carjacking at gunpoint is also a popular situation. And at that point, you better let it go or use Todd's idea of S&W!! I love S&W, their guns are great regardless of what all the H&K and Sig lovers think. Erik ------------------
1966 Ford Mustang 2+2
Mine - Restomod in Progress 1966 Ford Mustang Coupe
Dad's - Original Unrestored
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DaveK
Gearhead Posts: 254
From: Sterling, VA
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-13-2003 12:42 PM
How about an electric solenoid valve in the fuel line?
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MrWesson22
Gearhead Posts: 1295
From: Dacula, GA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 01-13-2003 03:13 PM
I'm a S&W fan for revolvers and Sig fan for autoloaders. What does that say?
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Neal 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande
351C/4sp
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/MrWesson22.html
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Red65
Gearhead Posts: 116
From: Northglenn, CO, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 01-13-2003 05:01 PM
I posted this on the "Flame Thrower Exhaust" thread, but with the reference to car-jackings, thought it might be relevant here, too. One way to stop them...http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-14-2003 09:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
I'm a S&W fan for revolvers and Sig fan for autoloaders. What does that say?
That says... DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT
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1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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EAW
Journeyman Posts: 20
From: Bear, DE, USA
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 01-19-2003 10:17 PM
http://www.jorc.com/catalog/us3031.html
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Bob; this is the fuel shut off valve, 12VDC
Valve # 9 on the link
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horseballz
Gearhead Posts: 296
From: LasVegas,NV
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-20-2003 04:10 PM
Hi Folks,
How 'bout instead of just taking the coil wire, you keep a dumby wire (with no conductor) that looks just like all of the other ignition wires to put in place of the real one. Even a marginally intelligent car thief would probably not figure that out for a while. Just don't confuse which one is which.
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Gene ------------------
'68 coupe
289/3speed(soon to
be 5.0/5speed)
'85 F150 Beater
300/Overdrive Stick
Pre-dented&scratched
'02 Ranger 4x4 Edge
'02 Miata
74 Chebbie C-10
Really Beat Beater
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MrWesson22
Gearhead Posts: 1295
From: Dacula, GA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 01-20-2003 05:28 PM
Haha. I haven't bought a Sig yet -- they're big bucks by college boy standards, but hopefully I'll be picking up a P229 in .40/.357 (I'll get both barrels) later this year. For now, a 686+ .357mag keeps me company when I feel the need.
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Neal 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande
351C/4sp
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/MrWesson22.html
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Hemikiller
Gearhead Posts: 726
From: Killingworth, CT
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 01-20-2003 06:08 PM
Here's an idea for a low profile cut off switch. Use a fuel selector valve from a 73 chevy truck with dual tanks. It is a solenoid type valve, that has two inlets and one outlet. One inlet is open when the coil is de-energized, the other when energized. You could hook it up in the soft line by the tank. Wire it to an ignition hot only line witha hidden switch. Outlet goes to the front of car. Inlet that is normally closed is capped, other goes to tank. That would take someone quite a while to figure out.
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rdw40
Journeyman Posts: 50
From: Hockessin, DE USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 09:18 PM
Thanks one and all. Found out a friend does business with a company that makes a solenoid type valve just for this application. His son installed one on his Mach and you have to know where the button is to open it. The only problem is that if you forget to turn it on you can stall out in the middle of an intersection after you start up.
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