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Topic: POWER STEERING - Pissed, Mad and Disgusted
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 772
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-29-2002 12:01 PM
 
OK, I am about ready to rip the power steering back off my 65.  I cannot figure out how to mount the power steering pump an the 351W so that the hoses in the back will clear the headers, etc. I bet I have 20 hours in the stupid power steering. Right Now I wish I had never even thought about changing the car to power steering. Does anybody out there have power steering on a 65 with a 351W and headers. If So - Can I get some pictures of the installation????? AND, YES ALEX, I know, what do I expect by making a GIRLY-MAN Car  ------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
351W, 4 Speed
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
[email protected]
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 4777
From: Phoenix, Arizona
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 12-29-2002 12:08 PM
Erine, those are full length headers, yes? Scoop's 351W powered '65 had power steering, I believe he's swapped to a manual center link... as have I. Ron is however running shortie headers...Not to suggest that you throw in the towel just yet, but my car steers great without the power assist. Lots of aluminum up front  so that helps. 205/60/15's aren't huge, but not bycicle tires either; the steering effort isn't bad at all  ------------------
1965 GT coupe, 333ci aluminum headed/solid cammed stroker, four speed, 3.70:1 9" All Blue Oval, no blue bottle
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/V8Thumper.html
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Red65
Gearhead Posts: 116
From: Northglenn, CO, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 12-29-2002 12:57 PM
When I purchased my Tri-Y's, I also purchased a power-steering pump relocation bracket. It is needed to move the pump so that it will clear the headers. Here's a picture of mine:
NPD part number: 3A652-1A Another pic at:
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/51894e89/bc/Yahoo!+Photo+Album/DCP00416.jpg?bcHmzD.AKQkIc7tl
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rm302 boss
Gearhead Posts: 680
From: Austin Texas
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-29-2002 01:24 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red65:
[B]When I purchased my Tri-Y's, I also purchased a power-steering pump relocation bracket. It is needed to move the pump so that it will clear the headers. Here's a picture of mine:You will need to order the two brackets one for the cylinder under the car to clear the headder and the other to move the pump out farther. I know how you feel, i fought that battle my self.
Rene
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1970 Boss 302
1990 Taurus SHO
1985 Mustang GT 351W
1995 Land rover Disco
1980 Triumph Spitfire (auto-X car)
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Red65
Gearhead Posts: 116
From: Northglenn, CO, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 12-29-2002 01:25 PM
Whoops. Just realized I mixed things up. The bracket shown is for the slave cylinder, not the pump. It lowers the slave cylinder to allow more clearance. The pump is a different problem.The following web site mentions the need to modify the power steering pump bracket. http://www.themustangshop.com/351swap.cfm "1. "Windsor of Change", Mustang and Fords, September 1993. This article details a 351W swap performed by Dyno Don Nicholson into a friend's 1966 GT fastback. JBA swap headers were used. The shock towers on this car had sagged and had to be port-a-powered apart. The 351W was dyno tested with both Torker II and Performer intake manifolds. The Torker II, with a one inch spacer, made the most power but would not fit under the hood so the Performer intake was used instead. The car was fitted with power steering and a C4 automatic, both of which are not supposed to work with the JBA headers. Power steering bracket lengthening was required. A four core radiator was used."
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-29-2002 02:16 PM
I can probably help out some.
Which hoses are you currently trying to use or are having problems with? The primary pressure and return lines or the control valve to cylinder lines?
Have you considered making up braided steel hoses?
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-29-2002 02:22 PM
No power any more,well it never worked right anyways.
But I run 195-60-14 fronts steering is real easy.At any speed above 5mph the car steers as easy as with the power.The only time you work alittle is in a tight parking spot.But WHO parks a 65 Mustang in a tight parking spot anyways.  Besides with that new 351w you'll have four wheel steering anyways.The fronts you turn with the steering wheel,the rears with the gas peddle. 
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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs
2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
[This message has been edited by Fastymz (edited 12-29-2002).]
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 772
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-30-2002 02:10 PM
Scoop, When you took the power off, did you just put the old centerlink back on? I remember that when I out the power steerinf center link on I had to buy new Tie Rod pieces because they are slightly different than the manual ones. Can I use them with the manual center link or do I have to spend more money? I like the idea of steering the rear with the gas pedal LOL. Thanks Ernie------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
351W, 4 Speed
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
[email protected]
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 772
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-30-2002 02:15 PM
""Scoop, When you took the power off, did you just put the old centerlink back on? I remember that when I out (GOT) the power steerinf (STEERING) center link on I had to buy new Tie Rod pieces because they are slightly different than the manual ones. Can I use them with the manual center link or do I have to spend more money? I like the idea of steering the rear with the gas pedal LOL. Thanks Ernie""I have got to learn how to type!!  Sorry ------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
351W, 4 Speed
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
[email protected]
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-30-2002 03:45 PM
Ernie I have yet to change the center link.Right now imy car still has the power center link and ties rods.But yes I've been told you have to change the tie rods to use the manual center link.
Any new pictures of your car yet?------------------
SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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68DARKHORSE
Gearhead Posts: 446
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 12-30-2002 06:01 PM
Removing power steering:1 Ended steering fluid on the floor.
2 Ended tracking problem.
3 Quickend steering response.
4 Took 25lb off the front end.
5 Freed up some hp.
6 One less thing to drag over a speed bump.
7 Improve steering feedback/feel.
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 772
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-30-2002 09:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Ernie I have yet to change the center link.Right now imy car still has the power center link and ties rods.But yes I've been told you have to change the tie rods to use the manual center link.
Any new pictures of your car yet?
Scoop,
Thanks for the info. I haven't taken any pics lately. I have added a custom top radiatot bracket I made out of polished stainless steel and powdercoated red with glitter and I added a remote oil filter setup that of course is also Translucent Red. Once I get the power steering off and the engine compartment finished I will take some more pics. My Brother-in-law told me tonight that he thinks he has enough polished stainless for me to do the floor of my trunk. That may be my next project. HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR Ernie------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
351W, 4 Speed
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
[email protected]
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-30-2002 09:45 PM
Ernie,you most really like RED.
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SCOOP
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs 2.26 60'S
14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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mtucker
Gearhead Posts: 105
From: Wichita, KS
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-31-2002 12:25 PM
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POWER STEERING - Pissed, Mad and Disgusted
Well that's just plain repetetive, redundant, and duplicative!! Sorry!! I couldn't resist.
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