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bill haab
Gearhead Posts: 143
From: south bend in.
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 10-31-2002 07:53 PM
   
What do you stang nut's think about clones.This might enteresting talk.
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69 Sportsroof
Gearhead Posts: 1214
From: Valley, Alabama, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 10-31-2002 08:03 PM
Clones are fine as long as you dont misrepresent your car. I have a base 69 sportsroof that will be getting paint before long and I'm considering going with a Mach I or Boss 302 scheme. At shows I will register it in modified class.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 12015
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-31-2002 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by 69 Sportsroof:
[B]Clones are fine as long as you dont misrepresent your car. B]
I'll 2nd that,
clones are cool build what you like it's your money. 
Bill,
Welcome to MM this a great site. SCOOP
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14.9 @ 90.86MPH 65 coupe,351w,C4,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,8"3.40 TracLoc,Cragar SS,Black Suede. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Fastymz.html
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 10-31-2002 08:14 PM
I agree. As long as you don't try to pass it off as the real thing, it's ok.Although I don't much care for Mach 1 or Boss convertibles or coupes. I would like to build a Boss 302 clone someday, too. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4504
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 10-31-2002 08:19 PM
I think clones are great , but , I also agree that they should not be represented as the real thing. JOHN ------------------
65 2+2 FASTBACK
68 COUPE (SOLD)
87 TAURUS WAGON
98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
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71RESTO
Gearhead Posts: 1288
From: Oregon, USA
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-31-2002 09:27 PM
Clones done right are awesome and I have no problem with them. As a matter of fact, my '71 will be one when I'm done with it---but will definately show it and advertise is as a clone.------------------
Duane
71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto)
73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed)
66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's)
89 LX 2.3 convertible (daughter Amanda's)
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1746
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 10-31-2002 11:57 PM
When it's finished, mine will be two cars in one -- a real GT and a non-GT. My main VIN tag will be the one that matches with the non-GT inner fenders, but I'm gonna have the VIN tag from the donor GT on the other side of the dash pad.
I'm not gonna call it a clone. Maybe a mestiso? Half caste? Still thinking of something with a nice ring ...
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 318
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-01-2002 08:52 AM
As long as it's not being passed of as the real deal, clones are cool. I personally like them. I mean, who doesn't like Shelby's and Boss's, and ELiminators Plus, with a clone, you get all the great looks, but with more freedom to do it your way. The bad thing about clones is when people make it a point to tell you that it is not a real one. Back when I had my 70 Eliminator clone, I would have people come up to me out of the blue and start off with "I know that is not a real Eliminator" "It doesn't even have the front spoiler,etc" Um, wow, I BUILT the car! Like I don't know!!! It was painted grabber orange with the Eliminator stripes because it looked good!! ------------------
2002 F350 4x4, True Blue, v10 Auto, 4.30LS, 35" BFG's
1991 Mustang LX 5.0L, AOD *need to sell*
1970 Cougar, 351C-4v, C6
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-01-2002 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by 69 Sportsroof:
I have a base 69 sportsroof that will be getting paint before long and I'm considering going with a Mach I or Boss 302 scheme.
A Boss will be easier to clone, since they mostly used the standard trim. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 672
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-01-2002 12:03 PM
I use to like the clones, but now at any Mustang show you go to, everyone has a Mach 1. Myself, I would never do a clone. I may use some trim pieces and make a custom, but never any badging. Thats just me though. I have seen many very nice clones, but its just not me.
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1746
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 11-01-2002 12:50 PM
Hell-fish, don't you think it depends on the year/model? I opted to go for my 68 GT not-really clone 'cos there's only one difficult part -- the hump under the rear seats. Once I've got that done, there will be absolutely no physical difference between my car and a 100% GT. Plus GT's in any year are nothing really special. I decided to do it 'cos I wanted the cut-outs in the rear valence. That's all it was really.
Now a Boss or Shelby clone, I feel, is a different kettle of fish, 'cos the value really comes from whether it's original or not. It's like a Picasso.
But a GT or Mach 1 are different, I think. But I still agree that if anyone asks, you should tell them the truth.
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cobravenom71
Gearhead Posts: 779
From: Kissimee, Fl USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-01-2002 05:02 PM
I say, Build your clone and have fun!
Is a 69 Boss 429 that is a 10-point concours restoration 'real'?
Well, I'm in the minority, but I say no!
Ford may have put it together first, but if it was restored, then Ford's 'work' has been REPLACED by someone elses work, and it is no longer representative of what ford made in 1969.
It may be nice, but it ain't real. Could even be consisdered a 'clone'.
I think this may start a war, so I'll just shut up now... ------------------
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1746
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 11-01-2002 07:41 PM
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Is a 69 Boss 429 that is a 10-point concours restoration 'real'?
Well, I'm in the minority, but I say no!
Well said! I totally agree.
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Keahi73
Gearhead Posts: 432
From: San Carlos, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-03-2002 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
When it's finished, mine will be two cars in one -- a real GT and a non-GT. I'm not gonna call it a clone. Maybe a mestiso? Half caste? Still thinking of something with a nice ring ...
I like mestiso! =) OR you could call it Hapa, like they do in Hawai'i! What part of the PI are you in? I'm not great with my geography, my grandfather came from Santa Catalina Island. I'm not even sure if mestisa is adequate (spell check??) for my combo! LOL!
Venom, you brought up a great point...now I'm going to be brewing that over with myself for days! =)
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68 Mustang Fastback GT-J code
55 Ford F100- Panel-Volare IFS, 351C
2 unmentionable brand vehicles ;)
Pictures of the GT project!
Pictures of the panel project!-look under "His and Hers"
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cobravenom71
Gearhead Posts: 779
From: Kissimee, Fl USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-03-2002 07:26 PM
Yeah, that's always kinda' bugged me. I have a few old Fords, and a couple of old (brace yourself)...G.M.'s also. Lately I've kinda' gotten the bug for a couple of old Mopars- Challenger convertibles, and GTX's in particular.
Anyhoo...go to a typical 'cruisenight' and you'll of course meet up with someone who claims that Ford made the best cars of the super-car era. And as proof, he shows you in detail his 69' 428 SCJ Mach 1. Thats gotta be the proof, right?
Maybe he'll tell you, or even show you the 'slips' from his last time at the 'track'.
"Ran a flat 12 at 110! And that's on street tires, man! No stinkin' Chevy ever turned in those kind of numbers."
Well, no Chevy that was bought in 'the day' for around $5,000 ever ran those times, thats for sure.
But what about the guy who has a 69' ZL-1 Camaro on the other side of the parking lot at the 'cruise'? You know, the one thats perfect. Oh, and of course it was painstakingly restored at what most will say is around $10,000. But we know its more like $20,000.
Just like the 428 Mach 1 , or any other kick-*** car at the cruise.
For ten or twenty grand, it better be fast!
But it sure ain't representative of what they were sellin' in the 60's and 70's.
And just so you don't think I'm a hipocrite, I'm just as guilty of this too!
I've spent way too much money on these old war-dogs, and of course lied about how little I actually spent. It seems like for every $500 spent on 'my toys', I had to spend the same amount on the wife for something she wanted.I guess thats only fair.Keeps 'em quiet, anyway.
But, for all that time and money, I can drive these cars anywhere and enjoy the **** out of them. And thats comparing them to the cars of today!
Today, My wife, my daughter and me took my 71 429 Mach, 78 'Smokey'edition Trans-Am, and my 79 Bill-Blass MK-V on a 240 mile round-trip to a car show, and they all were great! Of course, they're not all stock.
Better springs, shocks, tires,a WHOLE LOT MORE insulation than stock.( It might add a little weight, but it makes a huge difference).And of course, every modern 'trick' to make an 'old-style' drivetrain run like a 'new-style' drivetrain.
My wife just wandered in here and yelled at me for boring all you again, so I guess I'll see ya'll later. Kit.------------------
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4504
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 11-03-2002 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by cobravenom71:
Yeah, that's always kinda' bugged me. I have a few old Fords, and a couple of old (brace yourself)...G.M.'s also. Lately I've kinda' gotten the bug for a couple of old Mopars- Challenger convertibles, and GTX's in particular.
Anyhoo...go to a typical 'cruisenight' and you'll of course meet up with someone who claims that Ford made the best cars of the super-car era. And as proof, he shows you in detail his 69' 428 SCJ Mach 1. Thats gotta be the proof, right?
Maybe he'll tell you, or even show you the 'slips' from his last time at the 'track'.
"Ran a flat 12 at 110! And that's on street tires, man! No stinkin' Chevy ever turned in those kind of numbers."
Well, no Chevy that was bought in 'the day' for around $5,000 ever ran those times, thats for sure.
But what about the guy who has a 69' ZL-1 Camaro on the other side of the parking lot at the 'cruise'? You know, the one thats perfect. Oh, and of course it was painstakingly restored at what most will say is around $10,000. But we know its more like $20,000.
Just like the 428 Mach 1 , or any other kick-*** car at the cruise.
For ten or twenty grand, it better be fast!
But it sure ain't representative of what they were sellin' in the 60's and 70's.
And just so you don't think I'm a hipocrite, I'm just as guilty of this too!
I've spent way too much money on these old war-dogs, and of course lied about how little I actually spent. It seems like for every $500 spent on 'my toys', I had to spend the same amount on the wife for something she wanted.I guess thats only fair.Keeps 'em quiet, anyway.
But, for all that time and money, I can drive these cars anywhere and enjoy the **** out of them. And thats comparing them to the cars of today!
Today, My wife, my daughter and me took my 71 429 Mach, 78 'Smokey'edition Trans-Am, and my 79 Bill-Blass MK-V on a 240 mile round-trip to a car show, and they all were great! Of course, they're not all stock.
Better springs, shocks, tires,a WHOLE LOT MORE insulation than stock.( It might add a little weight, but it makes a huge difference).And of course, every modern 'trick' to make an 'old-style' drivetrain run like a 'new-style' drivetrain.
My wife just wandered in here and yelled at me for boring all you again, so I guess I'll see ya'll later. Kit.
Time to give her another $500.00 and send her out to catch up with your car spending allowance , then you will have some time to keep boring us  . I found this post of yours pretty interesting , and , it makes sense , bottom line is $ = speed , but is it original ? JOHN ------------------
65 2+2 FASTBACK
68 COUPE (SOLD)
87 TAURUS WAGON
98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE
Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association
M&M #1710
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 672
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-04-2002 10:22 AM
Don't get me wrong. Its your car and your intrest. I just feel I see a bunch of them. Its the same in the Mopar crowd. You always see Super bird, Hemi Cuda convertible clones or a car with a big block and 4 speed that orignally came with a 318 and 3 on the tree. I wont bash someones car for any reason (unless they start talking smack ). Clone or no, most times its a nice car.
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Keahi73
Gearhead Posts: 432
From: San Carlos, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 11-04-2002 02:11 PM
That is so awesome your that you went on a cruise with 3 cars with your wife and daughter!! I can't wait until Hubby and I get to do that! And by no means are you boring us! You gave me food for thought, and along those lines...my GT will never be an original since there is NO way I'm not going to upgrade the steering and suspension! Heck...I think everyone of us can sing along to " I did it myyyyyyyyyyy waaaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!!" at some point or another with our cars right?? ------------------
68 Mustang Fastback GT-J code
55 Ford F100- Panel-Volare IFS, 351C
2 unmentionable brand vehicles ;)
Pictures of the GT project!
Pictures of the panel project!-look under "His and Hers"
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cobravenom71
Gearhead Posts: 779
From: Kissimee, Fl USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-05-2002 08:52 AM
Yeah, it's pretty cool that I can get my wife and (sometimes)kids to got to these shows with me.
It makes the day go a little faster when you have someone you know to talk too. It beats sitting in the folding chair all day by yourself.
Once you get the family involved, they kinda' get the bug for going to these things too. They never understood how I could get up at 5 or 6 am on a Saturday or Sunday and drive an hour or two, just to sit all day and talk to a bunch of people I don't even know.
Of course, for me the drive there and back is the best part. Cool car, fun to drive, good tunes(I have modern c.d.-stereos in all my cars, but I usually only listen to 'period-correct' music while I'm driving them.I don't know why, but it just seems to make the whole 'experience' more enjoyable)
But its good for the family. They get to clean and clean and clean the cars once at the show, and then of course, they really want to win a trophy for all that work.
We usually will go to some local restraunt for dinner afterwards, and it seems that there is always some interesting fact or place to visit in whatever area your in for the day.
It seems to help the kids to learn to take pride in the things you have, not the things you want. Much more fulfilling. See ya!, Kit ------------------
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GT350Clone
Journeyman Posts: 49
From: Kansas
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted 11-05-2002 01:53 PM
Clone's can be cool. You can have "the look" of the original, and be able to drive, enjoy, and personalize the car without destroying the value...As others have stated, NEVER try to pass one off as the real thing! Also, IMHO, performance should meet or exceed the "real thing". Adding "the stripes" without the punch to back it up is just wrong... ------------------
My webpage: www.gt350clone.com
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whitet1
Journeyman Posts: 83
From: Hermiston OR
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 11-09-2002 08:50 AM
Clones are a fun way to express yourself.I have what ford should of made.1968 gtcs conv,I do not tell anyone that it is the real thing.I just want to have something that others do not have and boy do i get the looks.All i ask is that if you or anyone ever build a modify or clone please never put a chevy in it.Ford in Ford forever.Troy in oregon.
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67mike
Gearhead Posts: 164
From: Arab,AL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-12-2002 12:41 AM
Bill, do you happen to have any extra studes car or trucks in your back yard? A co worker has a 34 President, and a in progress 48(I think)M series truck going from the "light 6" to a stude 289. He was just up this summer for Stude meet at South Bend. Mike
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Jeff
Gearhead Posts: 280
From: Moore, OK USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 11-12-2002 02:08 PM
I decloned my '65. It was a lot of work and expense to get it back to its original A-code appearance. Why did I do this? I had two choices when restoring it, either leave it cloned (but do it well) or return it to factory appearance. It wasn't a lot easier either way but I like the result which is most important. Lesson here is if you clone it be sure to do it right!http://www.okmustangs.com
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Mike65
Gearhead Posts: 1771
From: Bloomfield, NY, USA. 65 Fastback, 69 Coupe MCA #-04549
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-12-2002 02:34 PM
I go along with everyone else has said, clones are fine. It is your car build it how you want , just dDO NOT pass it off as an original.------------------
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