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rockafellz
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From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 07-01-2002 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Fellas,

My dad and I changed the original leaf springs to some 5-leaf reverse eye springs in my '66 fastback this afternoon and have some interesting results and a few questions.

First off, it was a b!tch to remove those front-eye bolts but we were persistent and "strong" hammered that sucker out!! I was happy we didn't need to do any cutting. Anyway, the springs actually raised the rear nicely compared to the original springs (about a 1.5 finger clearance from top of the wheel fender to the tire).

Secondly and more importantly, there is now a strong loud humming sound when driven, especially at low speed. Our assumption is the the new springs changed the angle of the differential and the pinion bearings are spinning at a different angle?!? Maybe?!? The only other thing "I" can think of is maybe we tightened the u-bolts to the differential housing too tight but I torqued them to spec @ 40ft/lbs to the recommended 35-45ft/lbs per the Ford shop manual. My dad and neighbor said that the bolts or nut would strip before that housing tube would bend. Plus it doesn't look like it bent anyway.

Help us out please!!

Thanks in advance.

Erik

p.s. The rear-end is an original 3.00:1 open differential and to my knowledge has never been rebuilt. Before the leaf spring swap, the differential never made noise.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 07-02-2002 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does this 'humming' noise increase upon acceleration, or does it increase under deceleration? Any vibration?

With the additional arch of the new springs, it is possible that the pinion angle is now increased; enough to make it howl? You may be ready for a 3rd member overhaul

It is full of gear oil, right?

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ccode67
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posted 07-02-2002 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be sure the tailpipes are not rubbing anything, a finger width of clearance.

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rockafellz
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From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
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posted 07-02-2002 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ccode67, nope no tailpipes are touching.

V8 Thumper, the humming or howling appears upon both acceleration and low speed deceleration.

Could a pinion bearing be that loose? I was thinking about that last night and figured that the u-joints would compensate for the increased angle (if an increased angle were actually the case).

Could anyone else 2nd thumper and our's assumption?

Thanks in advance.

Erik

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Hemikiller
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posted 07-02-2002 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make sure that the front hanger isn't bent in touching the spring, since you hammered the bolts out. Second, do these new springs have rubber, polyurethane, or aluminum front eye bushings? Anything of a higher durometer than the original rubber will transmit more / different sounds into the unit body of the car. Third, double check your u-joints, if they were bad, and the pinion angle changed, then they are wearing in a different spot and will make more noise.

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rockafellz
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posted 07-02-2002 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hemi,

The front hanger is only touching the metal tubing inside of the rubber bushing. The rubber and body of the leaf spring isn't touching the frame. The black rubber bushings in both front and back of the new leaf springs were VERY HARD.

We'll be changing front/rear u-joints sometime this week. I also have an 8" trac-loc that just needs to be assembled which i'll hopefully put in within the next couple of weeks.

The sound is loud at low speed accel/decel and seems to quiet down a little at higher speeds.

Erik

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rockafellz
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posted 07-03-2002 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TTT

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 07-03-2002 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Change the U-joints and go from there.

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Calcat
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posted 07-07-2002 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Calcat   Click Here to Email Calcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before I started replacing things, I would use a magnetic angle finder and determine the pinion angle.

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Fastymz
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posted 07-07-2002 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erik thats the same sound my old 3rd member use to make.And when I replaced it,almost 1/3 of the ring gear teeth were chipped.I put the new 3rd member in and no more noise.
I'd do the ujoints 1st too they need to be changed any ways.

How do you like the ride of the 5 leaf and dose the body still dip any?

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rockafellz
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posted 10-01-2002 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TTT

Hey Calcat, where can I find one of those angle finder tools? I'll give Kragen a call later.

Erik

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-01-2002 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rockafellz:
TTT

Hey Calcat, where can I find one of those angle finder tools? I'll give Kragen a call later.

Erik


Sears or any Home depot/Lowes etc... should have a magnetic angle finder.
It sort of looks like a right angle square with a dial indicator in it.

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