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Fastymz
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posted 06-26-2002 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have all drums now,I need to stay with this set up for some time.I cant do disc right now.I think the drums should stop my light car pretty good.I have new shoes new rear drums and all rebuilt or replaced brake parts.I drained and flushed the system too.I bleed the brakes real good too.The still is slow to stop,is this the best it can do.Or is there some trick I dont know of.
Please give me your tips or tricks.

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mellowyellow
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posted 06-26-2002 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A good disc package is the Granada/Monarch front disc brake setup which is a junkyard deal. Also, check Sam Griffith's (Sigtauenus) article on M&M re larger drum brakes for the rear. Another junkyard deal-good article.

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Hemikiller
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posted 06-26-2002 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop: Have you replaced you hoses and whell cylinders? If the hoses are old they may be collapsing internally, limiting the pressure the brakes see.. If the wheel cylinders are getting sticky it will cause problems for you as well.

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mustangs68
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posted 06-26-2002 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SCOOP...
drive slower and your stopping distance will be less...LOL...
sam

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Billgear
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posted 06-26-2002 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Billgear   Click Here to Email Billgear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about some better gripping shoes for
your drum brake. Porterfield makes good
performance type shoes for older cars.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-26-2002 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cut a hole in the floorpan and 'Fred Flinstone' the thing to a stop

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rockafellz
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posted 06-27-2002 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Hemikiller on this. Before I sold my 2nd coupe, we took apart the wheel cylinders and boy was there some gunk in there. I'm talking "mud-like" substance!! We didn't have replacements on hand at the time, but we took them apart and cleaned them real good. The car didn't pull to the left anymore and stopped a whole lot better. If they are leaking, replace them ASAP. If you clean them are they START leaking, replace them ASAP. Also, old brake hoses should be replaced too.

Erik

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-27-2002 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10-4 on the wheel cylinder slime.
Also, do you have a good master cylinder? You can get a Ranger one from a junk yard for $5.

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Fastymz
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posted 06-27-2002 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hemikiller,yes the hoses and wheel cylinders are all new.New springs and shoes too.Alex,The M/C is the single stock org one,will changing it help with braking?
If so which one do I get,and whats needed to put it on.

Pete,thanks and maybe next summer on the disc brakes.
On my stops ok now,but just seems like it should be better.It still pulls alittle to the left.


Sam,and Todd,

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-27-2002 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH YEAH will it! that dinky OEM single has a HUGE piston and gives very little pressure. Get a Ranger/Explorer dual plastic unit from a junk yard, a few lengths of 3/16 brake line, and a couple of brass fittings to get yourself some good stopping power. Whole deal should be less than $50 and your time.

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mellowyellow
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posted 06-27-2002 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a good tip!

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Fastymz
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posted 06-27-2002 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
OH YEAH will it! that dinky OEM single has a HUGE piston and gives very little pressure. Get a Ranger/Explorer dual plastic unit from a junk yard, a few lengths of 3/16 brake line, and a couple of brass fittings to get yourself some good stopping power. Whole deal should be less than $50 and your time.


Alex I'm not going to question to you,after you helped me with my trans.Because the car drives so much better.
But will that M/C work on my NON power all drums brake set up?
I've also heard that the 67 mustang M/C works good too,is the ranger one better?

SCOOP

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rockafellz
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posted 06-27-2002 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Scoop,

I can vouch for the '67 dual master cylinder. We did that to my dad's '66 coupe and it stops great. The pedal came up a bit and doesn't need a lot of pressure to stop the car. The bowl closest to the firewall goes to the front breaks and the bowl closest to the bumper goes to the rear. Just plug up the open port on the distribution block where you'll remove the rear line.

Bending the lines is the only time consuming task. But someone recommended using a wire hanger and making a model of how the line should be bent. That makes it 10 times easier. Someone also recommended to use a propane torch to bend the lines easier, but we didn't do it. The bender we have is just as easy.

Erik

Alex, what year Ranger?

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Fastymz
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posted 06-27-2002 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Erik for the help and info.
I'll wait to see what ALex has to add about the ranger one.

If not I'll go the 67 way.Did you Eric just get a rebuilt one from a parts store or a junk yard one?


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Fastymz
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posted 06-28-2002 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TTT...

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Fastymz
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posted 06-29-2002 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex what year ranger M/C and will it work with non power all drum brakes.

SCOOP

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Harrys'65
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posted 06-29-2002 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also Alex,
Can you take the power booster with the Ranger unit and use it?
I am going to put power and dual chamber m/c on my '65......is the Ranger the way to go?

Thanks
Harry

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Fastymz
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posted 07-01-2002 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Sir Alex, you back or what.

SCOOP

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hey guys if u dont mind a little bit of drilling and modifying u can use a fox body mc and booster u just have to drill 4 holes in the firewall and enlarge the rod hole a little it will bring ur pedal up a little makes a lot of diff in stopping power oh yeah and ull need to make a plate to brace the bottom 2 bolts whole deal took me bout 2-3 hours to do

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steve'66
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posted 07-01-2002 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop,

The original v-8 drums on Melissa's '66 work well enough to stop it from 123+ mph so far on the track. The best thing about disc's is their fade resistance. I wouldn't want to try it three times in a row!
We're using the '67 m/c w/o a power booster.

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posted 07-01-2002 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys.
85-90 Ranger units are the ones that I use.
It will work great with 4w drums.
I have never used the booster, but I am certain that you can make it work if you want the power assist. It is not a very long unit, and it is a nice compact booster.
Anything else?

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posted 07-01-2002 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop,

I would never get a master cylinder from a junk yard (just me...). We went rebuilt with a lifetime warranty. Around $25. New is what everyone recommends though.

Oh, make sure to use your original '65-'66 Pushrod. You'll have to break the original master cylinder to remove the rod. The '67 pushrod WILL NOT work correctly. Make sure to also install the brake stop ring so the pedal doesn't come out.

Erik

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posted 07-02-2002 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex. I will keep you posted as to how it works out.
Harry

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posted 07-04-2002 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex and SteveW,I will give the 67 M/C a try.

Erik,I go with a rebiult one,not used from the yard.
And can you go over this with alittle more detail, "make sure to use your original '65-'66 Pushrod. You'll have to break the original master cylinder to remove the rod. The '67 pushrod WILL NOT work correctly. Make sure to also install the brake stop ring so the pedal doesn't come out."

I dont know what you mean by a brake stop ring?

SCOOP

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posted 07-04-2002 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Scoop, I'm putting a '67 m/c in my car also... front discs on the GT . I'm gonna watch this thread closely, because I too understood that the '67 unit in a 65 needs a longer pushrod, but it seems we need the stock '65 rod after all...

You will need to either bend & tweak your brake lines from the m/c to the proportioning valve and distribution block or get new ones and bend those; the '65 m/c outlets face foreward, the '67 outlets face left (driver's side). I've already got a '67 m/c, but just for sh*ts and giggles I'm going to look at a late 80's Ranger model per Alex's recommendation, that might be just as easy if not easier

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Fastymz
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posted 07-04-2002 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opps

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Fastymz
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posted 07-04-2002 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex with that ranger M/C what push rod do you use.And dose that just bolt right up?

Todd,
Wheres the proportioning valve now?
Ok so I'm not that smart,but I have gotten more women in to bed then all of you.


SCOOP

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posted 07-04-2002 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I called every junk yard in town looking for a Ranger MC and Power assist unit. I found lots of MC's, they go for $15 around here, but no power assist units. Nobody has any.
If I get a '65 power booster, can I use a Ranger MC with it????
There is a guy that sells a dual MC/ and power assist unit with correct pushrod for '65/'66(all new) for $250. It is supposed to be Bendix parts, I think he is in Canada.
I am not sure which way I will go, but I really want to get this finished.
Harry

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quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Ok so I'm not that smart,but I have gotten more women in to bed then all of you.


LOL!!! Damn Scoop, you bust me up

The p/valve on my car (disc/drum) is just behind the shock tower on the driver's side, maybe 5 inches up from the frame rail

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Can't ya just trace your brake lines to the distribution block?

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