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bgseib
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From: Tyler, TX, USA
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posted 06-14-2002 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bgseib     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am currently replacing many things and a few projects have run together (big shock to all of us I know). Anyway - my stang is at the tranny shop and I have not yet finished off the P/S rebuild, but he need to start it and drive it a bit. Question - will it hurt to run/drive the car with no fluid in it and the belt un connected? I was thinking as long as the belt is off it does not matter if it has fluid or not and would be just like a manual steering.. Any thoughts??

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BS

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70 Pony
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posted 06-14-2002 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BS...it ain't like manual steering...it is a lot harder...and not too safe if you're going far.
And if you're standing still and trying to parallel park....you'll get some muscles..
As far as the pump...I'm no mechanic..but common sense says if the belt isn't moving, either is the pump, so it seems to me no harm no foul.
I think the only thing you'll hurt is your arms...

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Moneypit
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posted 06-14-2002 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneypit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I drove my '67 like that for quite a few miles one day. Didn't seem to do any harm. After I reconnected the belt everything worked like normal. It was VERY difficult to make slow speed turns, like when parking.

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bluetech
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posted 06-15-2002 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluetech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It won't hurt your pump, but it will definitely hurt your arms

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70SportsRoof
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posted 06-15-2002 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, it won't do much. My car's PS isn't hooked up, and hasn't been for almost 1 year, I still have the ram and all in the car. It is not dangerous, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with 70 Pony (no offense 70). I've driven it daily and have racked up thousands of miles, and no problems. Yes, I have driven long distances at sustained speeds of at least 65 mph. My brother's '66 has no PS pump, but still has the rest of the PS system intact, and he has had no probs either.

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Fastback68
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posted 06-15-2002 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often wonder if I'm missing out. Everything in my PS setup is new except for the pump, which I know is OK. But it's still harder to drive than most modern manuals. I do everything I can to avoid parallel parking.
QU: Are you guys with heavy ol' V8's and PS in your Stang able to turn at very slow speeds with one hand on the wheel? I can't.

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bluetech
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posted 06-15-2002 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluetech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Simon, I once had a '71 Mach 1 w/ a 351C and C6 trans. Steering on that car was very light and easy. You can even turn the wheel while parked. You know how tight my garage is(the one at my house), I can barely open the doors of the car. But I parked that Mach 1 in that garage everyday, thanks to the P/S.

Better check your P/S setup

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ED

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dubstar
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posted 06-15-2002 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
phew! good news to me! i've been driving around with power steering but without the belt connected for a month or two now. thanks for asking this question Bgseib.

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67coupe
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posted 06-15-2002 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fastback u must have something adjusted wrong . i can steer mine with 1 finger sitting still. well good luck

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Fastymz
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posted 06-15-2002 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok guys maybe the 65 is different.But my power steering pump was gone(missing) when I got the car 4+ years ago.I have never replaced it.I dont think it's that hard to drive without it.Now my wife hates driving it because it's alittle hard to turn.Parking is alittle bit of a challenge.But my arms have yet to hurt from it.
I plan to take off all the power parts and go all manual.Once the car gets moving it's just like driving power steering car.

SCOOP

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mustangs68
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posted 06-15-2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Simon,
I can look at my steering wheel and tell it to turn ..if that ez...
sam

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68 S-code GT
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posted 06-15-2002 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
I QU: Are you guys with heavy ol' V8's and PS in your Stang able to turn at very slow speeds with one hand on the wheel? I can't.

Like the others said, it?s very easy to turn the wheel sitting still even with a BB. Blow a hose or lose a belt and your arms will be sore as hell the next day.


Bgseib, I use to drive that way every time to the track with my FB. Never had a problem!

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jkilroy
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posted 06-16-2002 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One hand? Are you kidding? My 68 has the factory steering box, loose is an understatement. I drive the car with two hands and my complete attention! I really need to get that fixed.

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Fastback68
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posted 06-17-2002 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm. I wonder if I should start a new thread here. Why would power steering not work, if all the components are sound? I confess I had a terrible time figuring out which of the two hoses from the valve to the cylinder went where. If I got them the wrong way round, would that make the car undriveable??? I followed the diagram in Osborn's, but it's extremely difficult to read.

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70SportsRoof
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posted 06-17-2002 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
Hmmm. I wonder if I should start a new thread here. Why would power steering not work, if all the components are sound? I confess I had a terrible time figuring out which of the two hoses from the valve to the cylinder went where. If I got them the wrong way round, would that make the car undriveable??? I followed the diagram in Osborn's, but it's extremely difficult to read.

If you reversed those hoses you'd know for sure. If they were reversed the steering wheel would turn side to side very fast, enough to break your arm, when you turned the car on. So, if that didn't happen, then you have the hoses on right.

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Pierre
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posted 06-17-2002 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pierre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70SportsRoof:
If you reversed those hoses you'd know for sure. If they were reversed the steering wheel would turn side to side very fast, enough to break your arm, when you turned the car on. So, if that didn't happen, then you have the hoses on right.

Confirmed I swaped them by mistake. When I went to turn the steering wheel it went lightening speed in the opposite direction Scary feeling !!


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Pierre
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posted 06-17-2002 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pierre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, I had some problems with weak PS, especially when oil was hot (high RPM driving or parking operations) so I installed a PS oil cooler between main rad & front gril. Never bothered me since

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70 Pony
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posted 06-17-2002 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary....NO OFFENSE TAKEN PAL...Sometimes I'll take it off if I'm running a test 'n tune at Maple Grove....
The only reason I said it may be dangerous, is that I am old...and it would really start beating me up in city driving....
On the hi way...no problem....
Just not used to talking to you young guys, who don't have arthritis, herniated discs and some tired old squeaky bones...
Honest..no harm no foul BUDDY !!!

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