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Topic: Radiator without tranny cooler help.
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65coupei6
Gearhead Posts: 412
From: S.F., CA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 05-19-2002 11:51 PM
   
So if you get a radiator with out the tranny cooler built in what do you do with the lines? Also how much will it affect the tranny or should a seperate cooler be installed?
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4088
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-20-2002 12:07 AM
Install a tranny cooler , heat is the biggest enemy a tranny can have. You can also send that rad back , and , get one that the tranny lines hook up to. Also if your engine is built at all , and or , you are running a high stall converter , you will want to run the lines to the rad as well as use a tranny cooler. JOHN  ------------------
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Fastback68
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From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 05-20-2002 02:50 AM
John, is that right? If you have a separate tranny cooler, and if it's doing its job right, is there really any need to run it through the radiator as well?
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4088
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-20-2002 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
John, is that right? If you have a separate tranny cooler, and if it's doing its job right, is there really any need to run it through the radiator as well?
Just my personal opinion , but , yes I think it is best to get as much cooling to the tranny as possible. I have seen a few tranny`s go down due to insufficent cooling , and , a few of them had just the cooler without the rad for any help. It really is amazing how quickly ATF will break down when it gets hot for long periods of time. Alot of people don,t realize how much stress a tranny is under. Just my .02
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Rory McNeil
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From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-20-2002 08:08 PM
Actually, the BEST solution would be to use the rad as is, & replace the C4 with a toploader or T5.  That way you can also do away with those unsightly cooler lines too.
I supose as a last resort, you COULD either get the proper rad for use with an automatic, or run an external cooler.------------------
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1564
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 05-20-2002 08:42 PM
I just removed the bottom from an original A/T radiator from a '68 Torino. It's the first time I've seen inside and I was shocked! The cooler for the tranny fluid is just a puny little double-walled tube about 7 inches long. It hardly seems worth bothering!
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4088
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-20-2002 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
I just removed the bottom from an original A/T radiator from a '68 Torino. It's the first time I've seen inside and I was shocked! The cooler for the tranny fluid is just a puny little double-walled tube about 7 inches long. It hardly seems worth bothering!
Doesn,t seem like it would do much , but , it does. Looks can be very misleading. JOHN ------------------
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 12:09 AM
Why not just install a good trans cooler.And go with the radiator without a trans cooler in it.SCOOP ------------------
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65coupei6
Gearhead Posts: 412
From: S.F., CA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 05-21-2002 12:38 AM
Acutally what Scoop said is what I was trying to get at. I saw a aluminum radiator with out a tranny cooler. With a tranny cooler built in it would be $100 more. I figured I could get the radiator and a external tranny cooler. But it will probably come to same price. Oh well..
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johnmustang
Gearhead Posts: 4088
From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by 65coupei6:
Acutally what Scoop said is what I was trying to get at. I saw a aluminum radiator with out a tranny cooler. With a tranny cooler built in it would be $100 more. I figured I could get the radiator and a external tranny cooler. But it will probably come to same price. Oh well..
I guess I just like the idea have having both , incase one fails , you may get those few extra seconds from the other , and , save the tranny. Just my .02 JOHN ------------------
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fastford34
Gearhead Posts: 332
From: penna
Registered: May 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 10:16 PM
go with a seperate trans cooler. even a cheap one is better than nothing. i run a framerail type trans cooler on my street rod.that baby works. from jegs or summit they range from 35 to 70 bucks.
by the way,i am new here and just getting started into computers. i posted a question in the classifieds by mistake,due to being late for my part time job. its about swapping a fmx for a c4. if anyone could help me with this,i sure would appreciate it. fords rock!!!
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 32655
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-22-2002 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by fastford34:
i posted a question in the classifieds by mistake,due to being late for my part time job. its about swapping a fmx for a c4. if anyone could help me with this,i sure would appreciate it. fords rock!!!
I moved it to this forum. That should get you some good answers.
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-23-2002 11:32 AM
YOu can get a decent cooler for $40. ------------------
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rockafellz
Gearhead Posts: 1250
From: San Lorenzo, CA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 05-23-2002 11:39 AM
Yeah, i've heard that using a separate transmission cooler is better, because in case the radiator/engine overheats, it won't affect the transmission fluid temp. That's what I have planned. I just haven't gotten off my a$$ to install it yet!!Just me... Erik
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