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Seth
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From: colton, ca, usa
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posted 03-03-2002 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seth   Click Here to Email Seth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got a 69 Torino with a 390. The car will turn over but it's really struggling to. It doesn't turn over quick enough to start. The starter, solenoid, regulator, and battery are all new. None of them made a difference. Motor was just rebuilt, and isn't locked up. Took the plugs and it barely got easier. Can you help me? Thanks.

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Fastymz
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posted 03-03-2002 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you checked the timing.I know if the timing is way off it can make it hard to crank.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-03-2002 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New motor, hua? Fresh PAINT on the new motor?

Take the ground (-) wire off of where it bolts to the block, file or sand the paint off... while you're at it, freshen up those battery terminals too. Take two of these and call me in the morning

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Rustang
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posted 03-03-2002 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thumper's on the right track! Also make sure you have good chassis ground and the motor is grounded to the chassis. You should also run a minimum of #2 battery cable. Clean all your connections and battery terminals. If you have a battery in the trunk you should run a minimum #0 wire. If you see any smoke when the things crankin' that's where your bad connection is!

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Fastback68
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posted 03-03-2002 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you sure the battery is big enough? Are you running an auto? I know one ex-idiot (me!) who had this problem with a 302 auto until he switched from a 2SM battery to a 3SM.

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65351w
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posted 03-04-2002 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65351w   Click Here to Email 65351w     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had the same problem with my 65 when I droped in my rebuilt 351w, new battery but did not have enough cranking amps to turn the engine over fast enough, got a battery with 800 cca and worked great.

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Seth
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posted 03-04-2002 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seth   Click Here to Email Seth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. The battery is an 840 with 525cold. About smoking when turning over, the solenoid relay did that until we replaced it, but it doesn't do that anymore. the grounds all look pretty good. So i'll try it again thanks.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-04-2002 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps your timing is too far advanced?

The engine was just rebuilt, huh? Does it turn over easily with a socket on the crank? Have you prelubed it? You're not doing your new cam any favors by not starting it easily.

I'd jump start it to get it fired right off, run the cam in, and then worry about the hard starting later.

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bluestreek
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posted 03-05-2002 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

If the engine turns over OK with jumper cables, then the extra juice may be overcoming a ground problem. If it still turns over hard, then your timing is wrong or advanced too far.

When I moved my battery to the rear, I encountered the same problem. I thought my battery or starter was bad but before replacing them, I got the biggest and shortest ground cable, and a heavy duty flatwound ground-strap, at the autoparts store. I connected the battery ground cable to a well sanded place on the body, and then took the ground strap and connected one end to a clean solid connection on the firewall, and the other end to a bellhousing bolt. Afterwards, my engine turns over better than ever.

Good luck,
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thedave66
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From: mountain home, idaho
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posted 03-05-2002 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thedave66   Click Here to Email thedave66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this may be a little late, but I had the same problem on my 289. turned out the starter was fried. Got a new one haven't had a problem since.

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