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Topic: Steering ??
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-26-2002 09:30 PM
   
I have power steering,thats not hooked up.No pump,
Can I remove the power ram,the control valve has no fuild hoses from the pump any more.I think the ram is just sitting there,or will it affect the steering at all if I remove.I want to go to an all non power set up.but for now what parts can and can't remove.Thanks SCOOP ------------------
65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 2559
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-26-2002 11:55 PM
Scoop,
I hope you eat your Wheaties every morning.
You need all of your energy. It would be alot easier to get a new or used manual centerlink and driver side tie rods and sleeve and junk the rest of the power steering stuff. Just my opinion.  Mike
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-27-2002 12:54 AM
Mike I'm planning on replacing the center link,and all the tie rods and sleeves.Just cant do it this summer so it'll be next.The car as never had the power hooked up since I got it.About 4 years now,Wheaties no no Krispe kream seems to work just fine.  I really just need to know if I remove the just ram for now will it affect anything. Thanks
Big arms SCOOP  ------------------
65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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Dave Witthoeft
Gearhead Posts: 1973
From: IL.
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 02-27-2002 03:56 AM
I say fix the power steering. ------------------
MCA# 48755
71 Mach 1
69 Fastback
92 F-150
M&M#884
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Hamchuck
Journeyman Posts: 19
From: Killeen, TX 76542
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 02-27-2002 10:15 AM
I'm not sure about '65s, but when I replaced my power setup with a manual centerlink in my '68, I also needed to get a new pittman arm.------------------
68 J-code Hardtop
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 5629
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 02-27-2002 11:34 AM
Scoop: Mustang Plus sell a piece that eliminates the control valve, and I believe, not requiring the change of center link. The ram is then removed. It seems like a good way to go. Don't throw PS stuff away! Sell it!
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-27-2002 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by mellowyellow:
Scoop: Mustang Plus sell a piece that eliminates the control valve, and I believe, not requiring the change of center link. The ram is then removed. It seems like a good way to go. Don't throw PS stuff away! Sell it!
Pete I dont throw any parts any,just ask Mrs.Scoop. I think the piece your talking about only works on 67,and up cars.I have not called them on it yet but that what it says there parts book. Dose any know if removing the ram hurts or effect any thing. Thanks for the help,I know you all try to help me,but again like Mrs.Scoop tells me I'm helpless. SCOOP
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bibbs68
Gearhead Posts: 1012
From: Jackson, TN
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 02-27-2002 01:08 PM
I'm about to begin putting power steering on my car. I'm tired of eating Wheaties! I wanna be able to eat a donut, jump in the car, and go. I've had to eat so many Wheaties to steer my car lately they are talking about putting me on the box!
Is putting PS on a MS car fairly simple?
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-27-2002 01:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bibbs68:
I'm about to begin putting power steering on my car. I'm tired of eating Wheaties! I wanna be able to eat a donut, jump in the car, and go. I've had to eat so many Wheaties to steer my car lately they are talking about putting me on the box!
Is putting PS on a MS car fairly simple?
Not sure about simple,but I do know it's costly.I can eat a donut and go,I just cant eat a donut on the go.If the windows are down and the donuts in my left hand,and I step on the gas,it always gets socked right into the scoop. 
I wished our stuff was interchangable. SCOOP
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65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-03-2002 04:40 PM
Thanks for the help.
Dose any one know if removing the power ram only from the center link will affect anything.I cant see how it would,but I want to be sure before I do it.
And next winter I'll go and replace the rest of the power parts and go all manual,are my old used parts worth anything. SCOOP ------------------
65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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RonnieT
Gearhead Posts: 540
From: Port Allen, La. 70767
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 03-04-2002 10:03 PM
Scoop,
The ram is doing nothing now but acting as a damper for steering, since there are no hoses attached. Removing the ram will not cause any problems with the steering. You should have a good bit of slop in the steering with the valve installed and the power steering not connected. If you remove the ram the car might start wandering a lot until you get rid of that control valve.
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Ronnie
69 mach1 351W-4V
70 Torino GT 351C-4v with a "shaker"
Mustangs and More Member #23
[This message has been edited by RonnieT (edited 03-04-2002).]
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 01:47 AM
Thanks Ronnie thats knida what I was thinking.The steering is kinda loose and wonders now.It's been that way since I got the car 4years ago.So it's the only steering I know.
I will get the manual center link maybe this spring.And the tie rod ends and sleves.SCOOP ------------------
65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3267
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 03:24 AM
I know I'm jumping in kinda late...I'm doing the same p/s bye-bye on my '65. The center link is all that's required to replace, Mustangs Plus has 'em for about $90, www.restoremustangs.com has them cheaper, if I remember right. Them damn Krispy Kremes got me all scatter-brained(bzzzzzzz sugar rush)  If you're gonna run the hydraulic cylinder without pump/hoses, I'd personally block off the inlet/outlet with some brass fittings, just to keep road crap out of it
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Fastymz
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From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 02:47 PM
Thanks, V8 Thumper do you have your all done yet.Keep me up to date on what you've done and how it's worked. Thanks again.SCOOP
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65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3267
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 02:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Keep me up to date on what you've done and how it's worked. Thanks again.SCOOP
Will do. Car is still apart, making (slow) progress. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the steering box worm gear adjustment takes a different preload on manuals vs. p/s, but I'll get back to you on that also.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 03:10 PM
 Thanks.SCOOP ------------------
65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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bibbs68
Gearhead Posts: 1012
From: Jackson, TN
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-05-2002 05:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
Not sure about simple,but I do know it's costly.
SCOOP
Costly? Don't tell me that! I have purchased a setup and it's on the way for $220. Includes everything to change over.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 06:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bibbs68:
Costly? Don't tell me that! I have purchased a setup and it's on the way for $220. Includes everything to change over.
When you say every thing,the steering box,pump,power ram and brackets,control valve,tie rod ends,pitmen arm.ect ect.You got all that for $220. SCOOP
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RonnieT
Gearhead Posts: 540
From: Port Allen, La. 70767
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 03-05-2002 10:05 PM
Don't plug the holes for the hose fittings in the hydraulic cylinder! You will be compressing the air trapped in the cylinder when you turn and it wil get very hard to turn, if you can turn it at all. ------------------
Ronnie
69 mach1 351W-4V
70 Torino GT 351C-4v with a "shaker"
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V8 Thumper
Gearhead Posts: 3267
From: Orange, Ca. United States of America
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-05-2002 10:51 PM
hmmm, good point... my bad. Those fittings are tight up against each other... you could still make a tight "U" shaped hose to allow the cylinder to extend and collapse without compressing... and still have it sealed up.Or... I'm just gonna buy the center link and not worry about it!
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bibbs68
Gearhead Posts: 1012
From: Jackson, TN
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-06-2002 12:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastymz:
When you say every thing,the steering box,pump,power ram and brackets,control valve,tie rod ends,pitmen arm.ect ect.You got all that for $220.SCOOP
Oops! My bad. It was $270! w/ shipping. That includes EVERYTHING. And I get a 90 day full refund guarantee to boot! Now, who wants to put it on for me? The pay would be really good. 4 dozen Krispy Kreme donuts!
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-06-2002 01:10 PM
Tell were you got them from so I can look there too. SCOOP ------------------
65 coupe,1969-351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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bibbs68
Gearhead Posts: 1012
From: Jackson, TN
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 03-06-2002 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Fastymz:
Tell were you got them from so I can look there too. SCOOP
A gentleman on the www.vintage-mustang.com site is who I am purchasing the parts from.
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stang106
Gearhead Posts: 734
From: God's Country!... Port Alberni B.C. Canada
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 03-07-2002 02:49 AM
Ron,
I used the adapted from Canadian Mustang when I took all the power steering off- I had absolutly no raod feel with the power steering. I then took the car to an alignment shop where the guy knows these cars. He adjusted the caster to its limits and the car was easier to steer.
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'70 ragtop Stang
"I live my life 16.090 seconds at a time"
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 10683
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-07-2002 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by stang106:
Ron,
I used the adapted from Canadian Mustang when I took all the power steering off- I had absolutly no raod feel with the power steering. I then took the car to an alignment shop where the guy knows these cars. He adjusted the caster to its limits and the car was easier to steer.
Dave
I think the adapter only wworks on 67 and newer stangs.
If I'm wrong please let me know,SteveL always dose. My car right now is very sloppy and loose at freeway speeds,alot like a girl I knew I high school. Dave this saying as always made me laugh."I live my life 16.090 seconds at a time" SCOOP Bibbs thats for the info,hope it all works out ok for you. ------------------
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