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GA69FBCleveland
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posted 02-16-2002 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GA69FBCleveland   Click Here to Email GA69FBCleveland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to replace a manual trans with a C4. I have a 850 double pumper without the kickdown linkage that works great on the car now. My budget won't allow me to purchase another. If I do not use a kickdown and down shift manually for a while, am I going to burn up the clutches in the C4?
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IIblue74
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posted 02-16-2002 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIblue74   Click Here to Email IIblue74     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a word, YES. The only way you wouldn't is to modify the valve body for manual use. I thought I would do the same and the trans lasted maybe a thousand miles. The kickdown adapter is only ~10$ but I had to add a 1" spacer on my 289 performer to clear the intake. Total ~30$ to SAVE the trans.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-16-2002 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, it won't hurt a thing. It will only not allow you to downshift into passing gear with the throttle.

My Sprint hasn't had a kickdown since 1980 and I don't even have a desire to install one. When I want to downshift, I just grab the shifter.

IIblue74, you're thinking of a throttle cable on an AOD.

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kid vishus
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posted 02-16-2002 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran my C4 without a kickdown and proceeded to burn it up after about 6 months. My trans builder told me it was due to lack of a kickdown rod. So I spent some money and bought the Lockar cable, (already had a 750 with the ford kickdown hookup). Burned that trans up too.
I think it had more to due with the wrong guy putting my transmissions together than lack of a kickdown on them.

But thats just my opinion

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mellowyellow
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posted 02-16-2002 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my limited trans. knowledge, can't see how the lack of a kickdown would lunch the unit. The advantage in having one is in a panic situation where a sudden burst of speed is needed-merge lanes, goosing it quick to get out of harm's way, etc. The moment of having to manually shift down in a split second move could make the difference when time is critical. They're cheap, and it's made for them. Just my 3 1/3 cents.

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Fastymz
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posted 02-18-2002 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
No, it won't hurt a thing. It will only not allow you to downshift into passing gear with the throttle.

My Sprint hasn't had a kickdown since 1980 and I don't even have a desire to install one. When I want to downshift, I just grab the shifter.

IIblue74, you're thinking of a throttle cable on an AOD.


I too dont think you need one.My trans guy told me it dose not hurt a thing.
I have not had one for 4years now.

But I like KV respons the best.

SCOOP

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-18-2002 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will not hurt anything on a C-4 without a kick down rod except your right arm. All the kick down rod does is place the trans in second gear manualy. ON AOD's it is critical to have the TV cable installed and adjusted, but on a C-4 it makes no difference. The trans has a modulator to control upshifts at part throttle and a governer to regulate full throttle upshifts.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 02-18-2002 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ran C6`s for years without a kickdown for years, never had any problems. On AOD`s as well as Mopar Torque flites, the kickdown IS neccasary, as it control`s line pressure, but not on a C4 or C6.

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