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Topic: '65 Motor Mounts
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-30-2001 01:23 PM
   
I knew you guys that play with the early Mustangs can help Ernie with this:Hi Steve, I would normally post this on the forum but I thought maybe the pictures would help and I don't know how to attach pics for the forum. Anyway, I bought brackets and motor mounts at 2 different swap meets and I thought they were from a 66 Mustang. I wanted those due to the height difference and I am putting a 351W in my 65 fastback. BUT when I drop a 1974 351W block in the mount holes are wider than where the motor mounts are by about 3/4 inch. That is with the mounts spread as wide as I can get them.
Any Ideas or could you put on the forum with pics. If you will let me know how to attach pics I will go ahead and put on the forum. Thanks for any help you can give me, Ernie (Ekbeanctr)   ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-30-2001 03:55 PM
Thanks Steve, I went out and checked the Hooker website for the Super Comp Headers I want to use and they footnoted that I need the 66 style motor mounts or I would use the 65. Has anybody tried installing these headers using the 65 style mounts, still I still have them?------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 12015
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-30-2001 03:58 PM
Do you have the motor side of mount on the motor already.The pictures dont help me because my monitor is crap.I always read to put the motor side of the mount on the motor 1st and then line it up to the frame part.
I really dont have good anwser for you right now sorry.
I used the 65 mounts had then fit just fine.
SCOOP.------------------
65 coupe,351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 33988
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-30-2001 04:26 PM
Good point, Scoop!Ernie, you are just trying them out, right? You do bolt them to the engine, then lower the engine and slide the through bolts through the motor mounts. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC
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Stang28965
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Webster New York USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-30-2001 04:26 PM
Those are 66 style mounts right? I had some flowtech headers installed on mine with 65 mounts and they rubbed the drivers side shock tower. Am I going to have trouble installing my tri-y headers with my 65 mounts? thanks!
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-31-2001 03:13 PM
Yes, I was just trying them out. I tried bolting them to the motor, then lowered the motor onto the brackets. Cannot get bolts through because the holes do not line up. Do these look like they are 66 motor mounts, that's what I was told when I bought them?------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
[email protected]
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Stang28965
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Webster New York USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-31-2001 04:27 PM
I can tell you that I have 65 mounts and they look nothing like what you posted, so I would think they are 66 mounts that you have.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 5739
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-31-2001 04:53 PM
Went out and looked at the 66 mounts on my 65. They look like the pic. The Oct. 98 issue of M&Fords mentions the 65 mount causing header problems. Actually, the 66 mounts were on some later 65's. Have also heard people here state that the 65 are fine.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 12015
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-31-2001 06:41 PM
My 65 mounts worked but with shorty headers.I would stay with the super comps they are the best header.SCOOP ------------------
65 coupe,351w,RPM intake,Carter625,shorty headers,2.5 exhaust, Flowmasters,C4,open 8" 2:80,Big Boss 429 hood scoop,Crager SS,Black Suede.
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-31-2001 09:34 PM
Well, It looks like it's time to do a little massaging on the frame brackets.  I think If I weld the current holes shut and redrill new holes about 1/2 over I can move the brackets closer to the frame and then the holes in the motor mounts should line up.  Does anybody know if that will cause problems down the road. I am planning on a 393CI 450-500 HP motor sitting on these. Are there any other high performance alternatives that would be better.------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19751
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-01-2002 01:34 AM
Over the years I have had several sets of 6111 Hooker super comp headers on MM using it's original 65 motor mounts. The first set I got in 1971 and had chromed. They all fit fine with the original mounts. No modifications were ever required. The 66 and up style mount is actually bigger.  ------------------
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-01-2002 09:02 AM
Alex, I looked at the Hooker Header website and they are calling for a 6208 Part number for swap headers. I couldn't find the part number 6111. For the 6208 they have a footnote that says it requires 66 style mounts? I am assuming to raise the motor slightly giving the headers more room at the top?? I am putting a 351W in the car with AFR Heads and I want to get the best headers I can get that will fit?. Any ideas would be appreciated------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
[email protected]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19751
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-01-2002 12:57 PM
OOPS!  : I some how missed the "351" part Ernie. I thought that we were talking 289-302. Never the less, on 351W installations I have always just shimed the original mounts up at the "bisquit" with a 1/4 to 1/2 inch spacer made of aluminum. I have used the 6208 Hookers before many times and converted to the 66 and up style mount also. Usually a 1/4 inch thick head bolt style washer between the mount and block is all that was neccasary to pick the engine up. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator
NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-01-2002 01:36 PM
Thanks for the info Alex. I think I am going to try moving the frame brackets in a little so I can use the 66 style mounts. If that doesn't work I will just shim up the 65 mounts, since I still have them. I appreciate all the feedback from everybody, It's always nice to know that there is tons of help out here on M&M. You all have a GREAT NEW YEAR!. My resolution is to have the Fastback done this year. Alex, do you sell Hooker Parts, if so How Much are the 6208-1 Headers.?------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19751
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-01-2002 03:14 PM
Ernie, I'll get you a price tomorrow. I know that they went up today and I have not recieved a new price sheet yet. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator
NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
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ekbeanctr
Gearhead Posts: 411
From: Middlebury, IN USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-09-2002 08:41 PM
I got my new motor mounts today - guess what they fit! Evidently the ones I bought at the swap meet were not 66 mounts as they were labeled  Thanks to everyone who helped.------------------
Have a Wonderful Day
CandyApple 65 Fastback
Versaille 9" Rear End
Global West Front End
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