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Dave Gibson
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posted 12-26-2001 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Gang. Time to ask for some other opinions. We are having problems with the battery in the fastback holding a charge. The battery is only a year old and we have had to recharge it twice now. We are not getting the normal signs of the alternator going bad. (head lights dimming and brightening) So that leads me to believe it's either the voltage regulator, the battery or a possible short somewhere in the system. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Dave & Terri

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I65Stang
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posted 12-26-2001 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it not fully recharging when running (problem starting it back up after turning it off) or is it going dead after sitting for a while?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-26-2001 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave, do you have an ohm meter? Disconnect the ground then do a continuity check and see if you have a drain anywhere. If you find one, remove the fuses one at a time to isolate the circuit.

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SuperDave
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posted 12-26-2001 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperDave   Click Here to Email SuperDave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first step is to verify that the battery voltage is at least 12.7 volts with the car NOT running. Then start the car and turn on the lights, etc. You should now have about 13.5 to 14 volts. If not, your alternator is bad. Dim lights are not a very good indicator of what's going on.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 12-26-2001 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,
The first time the battery went dead, we re-charged it and all was well for about a month. Started the fastback yesterday after replace the turn signal flasher and all was well. Went to start the car again three hours later and no go.

Steve,
No go on the ohm meter. But it is now on the shopping list. Great info also Steve.

Dave,
You bring up some good points. Definetly time to go shopping for some electrical meters. I have always replaced the alternator and voltage regulator at the same time. Probably wouldn't hurt to also replace the battery and follow Steve's advice.

Thanks for all the input.

Dave & Terri

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'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
Blue Belle (Terri's)
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Brock
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posted 12-26-2001 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brock   Click Here to Email Brock     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Steve or anyone else, what exactly is a "continuity check"? Is it just hooking up an ohmmeter in series with the + battery post and checking for current?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-26-2001 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you hook up the ohm meter between the negative post and the negative cable to see if there is a complete circuit somewhere when all the accessories are turned off. There shouldn't be. If there is, that's what's draining your battery.

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Dr. Who
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posted 12-27-2001 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Who   Click Here to Email Dr. Who     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also look at the belt, if it has a shine like it's been polished (where it runs in the groove) it might be slipping. An alternator turns very easy when not charging and rather hard when charging so the more it's needed the less it works if the belt can slip.

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Fastymz
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posted 12-27-2001 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave I had kinda the same thing happing.I replaced the battery with a new one and it was solved.Hope you get it worked out,let me know if you need me to come back there and give you hand.I'm have to think fast about what to tell the wife 1st.
Boy to be in the 60's or 70's degrees right now.

SCOOP

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Dave Gibson
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posted 12-27-2001 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scoop,
Your more than welcome to come play in Pensacola. We have plenty of room. But, the 60's and 70's temperature wise are gone for now. We have been lucky to reach the mid 50's for high temps and for lows, yes lows, around 30 degrees. And to think we moved from Norfolk, Virginia to get away from the cold weather.

Dave & Terri

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Poison Ivy (Dave's)
'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
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Fastymz
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posted 12-27-2001 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Dave,

SORRY to hear that about the weather,hang in there it will be 70's again soon I'm sure.

SCOOP

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mellowyellow
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posted 12-27-2001 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave: Had that problem with my 65. I had a year old battery. It WAS the battery. By the way, ol' buddy!, Pensacola is like being in the Arctic Circle!! LOL. Top down all day Christmas,here! You gotta go South! {Don't ask me about last nite!!

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mustangs68
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posted 12-27-2001 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HEY Dave
10:51PM and 39degsF..LOL
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Dave Gibson
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posted 12-29-2001 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Sam,
8:46 a.m. and it's now 39 degrees out. Suppose to reach into the 60's today. Good thing to. We now have a canvas top garage to assemble for Terri's Stang. I also have a new multi-meter to check on the charging system in the '65. It's great to be able to work on the Stangs.

Dave & Terri

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Poison Ivy (Dave's)
'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
Blue Belle (Terri's)
'66 Coupe, Silver Blue Metallic, 351W 2-V, 4 speed, A/C, future sleeper.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 12-29-2001 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK. Here are the results of the voltage test. 12.3 without the engine running and 13.3 with the engine running. A little low, but not terrible. The alternator belt looks good, but could be a bit tighter. Still need to do the continuity check.

Dave & Terri

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Poison Ivy (Dave's)
'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
Blue Belle (Terri's)
'66 Coupe, Silver Blue Metallic, 351W 2-V, 4 speed, A/C, future sleeper.

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