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Topic: back-up light switch on Hurst shifter
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 990
From: Lemoore, CA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 11-11-2000 06:38 PM
   
Ok, next question from Sig to the car buffs.I have a 4 spd (toploader) with a Hurst shifter in my 68. What kind of back-up light switch do I need to hook up to it. I had a 3 spd originally with a functional back-up switch, but when I put in the 4 spd I couldn't make the switch work on the bracket that comes for it (the switch) on the Hurst shifter. Is there that much difference between the 3spd and 4spd back-up light switches that if I got a stock 4 spd switch it would work?, or do I need to rig up a custom switch for it? Thanks ahead of time.
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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-11-2000 06:52 PM
Sig, because the Hurst shifter has reverse in a different spot than FoMoCo had intended it, you will need one of there universal back up light switch kits. It bolts directly to any Hurst 4-speed shifter and can be wired right into your existing harness.  Alex------------------
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 990
From: Lemoore, CA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 11-11-2000 07:18 PM
Sweet, thanks Alex. Now something else for me to look for.
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Troy
Gearhead Posts: 380
From: Santa Cruz, CA USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-13-2000 01:03 AM
I believe this is what you need:  I have one laying around that I don't need, send me an e-mail and it's yours. Troy
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 990
From: Lemoore, CA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 11-13-2000 10:03 AM
Troy,
I believe you are correct. I found on the MrGasket websight the Hurst catalog, and it lists PN 248-0003, which that appears to be. Email is on the way.Thanks guys,
Sam
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-13-2000 01:20 PM
 That's the deal. Isn't this just THE BEST website in the world? Alex ------------------
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 990
From: Lemoore, CA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 11-25-2000 02:52 AM
Troy is THE MAN!!I got the switch and put it on today, it works great! For the first time in 7 years I have a back-up lights that work right! I used to have a toggle switch I wired in, but I forgot to turn them off one night and a nice police officer reminded me that I had them on and wasn't supposed to while moving forward. So, the toggle switch came back out.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 2074
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-25-2000 03:03 PM
Sig,You could've done what we did. We replaced the rear valance with one w/o back up lights. Now the cops don't bother us because they figure the car never had back up lights from the factory! 
But good job figuring this one out and making your back up lights work! SteveW
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Capri
Moderator Posts: 1066
From: Lyons, ILL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-25-2000 06:10 PM
I believe they were an option on most Mustangs. Up to 73 maybe? I know they were on earlier cars. For the record, MM happens to have em!Tony
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine MCA # 47773
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posted 11-25-2000 08:09 PM
Troy, that was a really cool thing for you to do. We have some great people here! ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine MCA # 47773
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posted 11-25-2000 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Capri:
I believe they were an option on most Mustangs. Up to 73 maybe? I know they were on earlier cars. For the record, MM happens to have em!Tony
Tony, if I understand your post correctly, backup lights were standard from '67-on. ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-25-2000 08:44 PM
They were an option until 1967. It helped to keep the MSRP down under $2400. Alex------------------
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 273
From: Stanton, MI
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-27-2000 12:39 PM
Hey Guys,
I think back-up lites would be nice to have too.  My '69 Mach was OEM with a FMX, but I put in the 4-speed. I have the Hurst universal switch kit, but haven't ever wired it in.  Would the OEM FMX wiring harness have the 4-speed connector wired in it somewhere - if so where can I find it? If not, where can I pickup the signal for the reverse/back-up "tie-in" wires to extend and make the connection to the universal switch?
Thanks in advance for you help,,, Ryan
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 990
From: Lemoore, CA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 11-28-2000 02:01 AM
Ryan, I don't know how similar 68 to 69 back-up/neutral safety switch circuits are, but here's how the 68 works, maybe yours is similar.There is a 4 wire plug at the firewall that accepts both the automatic (neutral safety switch)and manual (back-up light switch) transmission wiring harnesses. On the automatic harness, there is two loops, one is the neutral safety loop that when completed (circuit closed in neutral or park) allows you to start the car. The other loop when completed turns on the back-up lights. On the manual transmissin harness, there is also the same two loops, but there is no neutral safety switch. That wire still exists, however, as it simply extends out of the plug for about an inch or so and immediately loops back into the plug so that that circuit is always complete. If your wiring is similar in design, you must have already found a way to bypass the neutral safety switch. If you don't want to cut original wiring, get one from a donor car, figure out which wires are to the back-up lights, cut them off of the neutral safety switch, and connect the hurst switch to them. It took me about 15 minutes to jack up the car, hook everything up and make sure it worked, and lower it job complete. If you actually need help identifying which wires are which, get back to me and I'll try to explain that one as well.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 273
From: Stanton, MI
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-28-2000 08:33 AM
Sig,
Thanks for the helpful advise!
I don't recall looping the neutral switch wires, but I'm thinking they must of been looped (I still have most of the OEM wiring harness intact) but it's been a while since that would of been done..... I'll do some crawling under/around looking for some possible wires at the firewall, as you mentioned. If I don't have any luck finding 'em, I'll take your offer & get back witcha'. Thanks a bunch,,, Ryan
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