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bugo
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From: Arkansas
Registered: Aug 2005

posted 01-01-2006 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bugo        Reply w/Quote
The latest issue of Collectible Automobile magazine features an early 60s Econoline pickup. The article states that the truck is equipped with a 4 speed manual transmission on the column. I have never heard of a 4 on the tree except in older Japanese mini-trucks. It mentioned that the 4 speed wasn't available until 1963 or so. Is this an error, or was there really a 4 on the column?

Whitson
Gearhead

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From: Western Canada
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posted 01-01-2006 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Whitson        Reply w/Quote
I've never seen or heard of an early 4 speed econoline. Not in the 61 to 67 body, not even in the second generation (68 to 74?). I vote misprint or non-factory installation.

Rory McNeil
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posted 01-02-2006 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil        Reply w/Quote
Nope, they were avaialabe in the early "doghouse" Falcon-Econoline vans. I don`t know what years they were used, but I had a friend with an early Econoline with a 144-200 style 6 cyl and it had this 4 speed on the column transmission. It`s been about 25 years ago now, but I seem to recall the transmission was the same English Dagenham 4 speed that some 65-66 6 cyl. Mustangs were equipped with. This van also had factory 4.56 gears (the ratio was actually stamped into the VIN tag located at the drivers door jam on these early vans)and it had a top speed of about 50 mph! Some of these vans came with 9" rear ends, others had the tiny 8 bolt integral diff that was the same basic diff as an early 6 cyl. Mustang or Falcon.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected] 1.32 60 foot
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA M/Stock 302 5speed. [email protected] 1.63 60 foot
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

[This message has been edited by Rory McNeil (edited 01-02-2006).]

bugo
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Posts: 21
From: Arkansas
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posted 01-02-2006 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bugo        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
Nope, they were avaialabe in the early "doghouse" Falcon-Econoline vans. I don`t know what years they were used, but I had a friend with an early Econoline with a 144-200 style 6 cyl and it had this 4 speed on the column transmission. It`s been about 25 years ago now, but I seem to recall the transmission was the same English Dagenham 4 speed that some 65-66 6 cyl. Mustangs were equipped with.


The article does mention that the transmission is a Dagenham.

I think I read that the 4-speed in the early 60s Galaxies was a Dagenham. Is that true?

Rory McNeil
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From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
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posted 01-09-2006 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil        Reply w/Quote
No, the Dagenham was a pretty weak light duty transmission, I don`t think it was used with any V8 Fords. The 62-64 Big Fords with 4 speeds came with Borg Warner T10`s, which was a bit on the weak side for such a heavy big block vehicle. GM & MoPar were in the same boat, as the T10 was the only game in town, until the Big 3 came out with their own 4 speeds, the T&C toploader for Ford, the Muncie for GM, and the A833 for MoPar. The Toploader & MoPar boxes were much stronger than the BW, the Muncie not so much better.I believe that some of the small block Ford smaller cars still came with T10`s for a while after the Toploader came out.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected] 1.32 60 foot
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA M/Stock 302 5speed. [email protected] 1.63 60 foot
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

Whitson
Gearhead

Posts: 290
From: Western Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted 01-09-2006 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Whitson        Reply w/Quote
The B/W T10's hung around a while. I know a 66 GT350 that came with a T10 and not a toploader.

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