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BlueMule
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posted 03-25-2003 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

email sent to Mike. the link I posted didn't work.
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MLariviere
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posted 03-25-2003 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have the link addy? You can copy&paste it in the location bar.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 03-29-2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well?

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BlueMule
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posted 03-30-2003 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The link no longer works. It was a video of a Gen2 Lightning handing a Hemi 1500 its doors by about 6 lengths at half track. It was posted on a SloPar forum and the moderator deleted the post. The link was forwarded to me by a chebby dude. It worked for about 30 minutes before it got nuked...

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kid vishus
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posted 03-30-2003 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeha, those mopar guys get pretty pi$$y about the Lightning always kicking thier tails.

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MLariviere
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posted 03-30-2003 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sore losers. They say their V-10 truck coming out will do us over. Bring it on. What do they call it,anyway?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-31-2003 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When's this Hemi supposed to come out? It seems like I've been hearing about it forever and it's always 'Soon to be released' just like the GM SSR.

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MLariviere
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posted 04-01-2003 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Hemis are on the streets. In just about any config you want.

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BlueMule
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posted 04-02-2003 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MLariviere:
The Hemis are on the streets. In just about any config you want.

...except fast

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-Paul

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-02-2003 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean the hot rod truck they were supposed to come out with, the SRT?

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BlueMule
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posted 04-02-2003 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh... that V-10 viper powered thing. Like you said, it's like the GM SSR. "It's coming soon. It's coming soon." and it never shows up. Once they do roll it out, if ever, nobody will be able to afford it.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-02-2003 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's right, that was supposed to be a V10, I forgot.

So they aren't making a performance version of the hemi in a truck?

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MLariviere
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posted 04-02-2003 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope. it's their bread-n-butter engine.

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Hell_Fish
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posted 04-07-2003 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a Lightning got beat by a new Hemi, that would be a sad day. The new Hemi is just a standard engine with no aftermarket yet. I hope they will produce the SRT-10, but it is unlikely.

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MLariviere
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posted 04-08-2003 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They better do their homework if they want to spank a truck with almost 400 Hp. What is a Lightning,385? Heck,they probably couldn't get past the H/D edition.

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BlueMule
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posted 04-09-2003 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
99-00 = 360
01-up = 380

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Hell_Fish
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posted 04-10-2003 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well the SRT-10 is a 500hp 500lb of torque Viper engine. I bet you will never see a stock new Hemi near 360hp.

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MLariviere
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posted 04-10-2003 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will they put their money where their mouth is,Dustin?

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BlueMule
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posted 04-11-2003 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Putting my bias for FoMoCo aside, I still don't think I would buy something that sounds like a 6-banger. Fast or not, IMHO, they sound cheap and crappy, (no offence to our six cylinder friends here). With two out of 10 cylinders firing at the same time, inside bores that aren't much bigger than a 221ci SBF (ok, a 170ci 6), it's not the same. Ok the bores may be bigger in the v10 but the sound is the same.

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70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000

'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'

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Hell_Fish
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posted 04-14-2003 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the V-10? Thats current numbers for the latest Viper. The SRT-10 will have the same engine. With that said, it may still be a dog. It may not hook and my weigh to much. not sure on any of that.

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68 S-code GT
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posted 05-01-2003 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GM has a Silverado SS out now with a 6.0L V8 and AWD. I think it has 345 HP and 380 ft pounds.

I would like to see how that compares to the Lightning!

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grandestang
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posted 06-04-2003 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well if the future lightnings are anything like the concept in terms of power, I don't think anything will be able to touch it. Its has like 500HP. The engine in the concept is supposed to be dammned similiar to the 5.4 aluminum supercharged DOHCammer in the Ford GT. I'm really excited to see how much of the concept actually carries through to production- It would be really cool if that supposed +50HP super cooler that taps into the air conditioning for like 45 seconds makes it to production.

Paul

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MLariviere
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posted 06-04-2003 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey,that's an idea! Run my ram air through the AC plenum!

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Hell_Fish
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posted 06-18-2003 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope the Lightning makes it to production with little to no changes from the prototype. Dodge ditched the SRT-10. Wonder what they will do with the HEMI in the future?

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grandestang
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posted 06-20-2003 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hell_Fish:
Hope the Lightning makes it to production with little to no changes from the prototype. Dodge ditched the SRT-10. Wonder what they will do with the HEMI in the future?



Are you sure, I thought the SRT-10 was going to be made sometime in December or another winter month this year. If so, is this recent news?

Paul

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68Rustang
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The SLOPAR you were refering to with the V10 is the SRT-10 like the Viper and the Neon its slow to just like the others. The SSR is fast (I test drove one the other day just to satisfy my intrest) but my dads 99 F250 Super Duty could manhandle one very easily with no trouble as long as I am the one driving it.HAHAHA, old people dont know how to drive fast.

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BlueMule
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posted 06-17-2004 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed in the new SRT-10 adds that they show what look to be F-150 doors flying all over the place... In the final moments, they finally show where the doors came from, and it wasn't a Lightning.

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posted 06-17-2004 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hell_Fish   Click Here to Email Hell_Fish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Talk about a old thread.

If seems that the SRT-10 will be sold. Even a 6.1L version of the Hemi, but not for any trucks. It will be for the new Charger.

With that said, I think the Lightning is a cool truck and fast and still say that it shouldn't be beaten by a stock Hemi.
What I would like to see is a SC Hemi vs a Lightning. It would be a apples to apples race. I could care who won that race, but I bet it would be cool!

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posted 06-17-2004 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At $50k a pop, I don't see the SRT/10 being sold in any large numbers.

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posted 06-17-2004 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those SRT/4's are supposed to be in the 12's,but with Neon Quality?

Ther SRT/10 is packing 500hp,but i doubt it will have a following like the Lightning.

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posted 07-14-2004 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racingjunkie   Click Here to Email racingjunkie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems odd to me that it takes Daimler/Chrysler 505 ci of v10, and GM 498 ci to do what the 5.4 Lightning and the 414 ci v10 Ford Super Dutys can do. hmmmmmmmmmm

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posted 07-14-2004 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like your logic!

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posted 07-15-2004 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BorgMoose7of9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh... that V-10 viper powered thing. Like you said, it's like the GM SSR. "It's coming soon. It's coming soon." and it never shows up. Once they do roll it out, if ever, nobody will be able to afford it.



Nope, the only people buying it will be drywall contractors and body shop owners...so their 20-lbs. overweight girlfriends and wives will have something to drive...lol..

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From the looks of things soon you won't be able to buy a Daimler/Chrysler product that DOESN'T have the hemi in it. They seem to be stuffing this engine in everything they make. I guess they are trying to get some more mileage out of the "HEMI" stigma. The only real thing the NEW HEMI has in common with the OLD HEMI is it's name. I'm also not sure how long the V10 will be around, they have dropped it from their truck line and replaced it with the HEMI. If the SRT-10 gets axed because of poor sales (like the Prowler) then the only vehicle using the V-10 will be the Viper. I'm sure the folks in Germany who call the shots for Daimler/Chrysler see this engine as being very inefficient, especially since they can coax 600 reliable hp out of 6.0 liters in their top of the line drop top Benz.As far as a HEMI 1500 truck beating up on a Lightning,it's not gonna happen. Not without modifications to the Dodge. It may give the current Harley F-150 a good run, only because the Harley truck is not avalible as a two door half ton,so the Dodge will have the weight advantage. The torque of the supercharged Harley truck would make the race almost a dead heat, even with the extra weight.

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