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Topic: Hemi vs. Lightning
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 03-25-2003 01:53 PM
   
email sent to Mike. the link I posted didn't work.
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-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.' [This message has been edited by BlueMule (edited 03-25-2003).]
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 3792
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-25-2003 10:10 PM
Do you have the link addy? You can copy&paste it in the location bar.
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 1536
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-29-2003 04:30 PM
Well? 
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 03-30-2003 06:01 AM
The link no longer works. It was a video of a Gen2 Lightning handing a Hemi 1500 its doors by about 6 lengths at half track. It was posted on a SloPar forum and the moderator deleted the post. The link was forwarded to me by a chebby dude. It worked for about 30 minutes before it got nuked... ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 5582
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 03-30-2003 10:20 AM
Yeha, those mopar guys get pretty pi$$y about the Lightning always kicking thier tails. 
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 3792
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-30-2003 10:10 PM
Sore losers.  They say their V-10 truck coming out will do us over. Bring it on. What do they call it,anyway?
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 39060
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-31-2003 01:59 PM
When's this Hemi supposed to come out? It seems like I've been hearing about it forever and it's always 'Soon to be released' just like the GM SSR.------------------
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 3792
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-01-2003 09:18 PM
The Hemis are on the streets. In just about any config you want.
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-02-2003 07:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MLariviere:
The Hemis are on the streets. In just about any config you want.
...except fast ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 04-02-2003 08:59 AM
I mean the hot rod truck they were supposed to come out with, the SRT?  ------------------
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-02-2003 12:16 PM
Oh... that V-10 viper powered thing. Like you said, it's like the GM SSR. "It's coming soon. It's coming soon." and it never shows up. Once they do roll it out, if ever, nobody will be able to afford it.------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 39060
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-02-2003 12:29 PM
That's right, that was supposed to be a V10, I forgot. So they aren't making a performance version of the hemi in a truck? ------------------
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 3792
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-02-2003 09:17 PM
Nope. it's their bread-n-butter engine. 
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 815
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-07-2003 04:29 PM
If a Lightning got beat by a new Hemi, that would be a sad day. The new Hemi is just a standard engine with no aftermarket yet. I hope they will produce the SRT-10, but it is unlikely.------------------
Dustin C
"The Mopar Guy!"
56 F-100
Mech. for wifes 69 Mustang coupe
65 Plymouth Barracuda
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 3792
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-08-2003 11:29 PM
They better do their homework if they want to spank a truck with almost 400 Hp. What is a Lightning,385? Heck,they probably couldn't get past the H/D edition.
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-09-2003 07:15 AM
99-00 = 360
01-up = 380 ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.'
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 815
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Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-10-2003 04:39 PM
Well the SRT-10 is a 500hp 500lb of torque Viper engine. I bet you will never see a stock new Hemi near 360hp.------------------
Dustin C
"The Mopar Guy!"
56 F-100
Mech. for wifes 69 Mustang coupe
65 Plymouth Barracuda
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MLariviere
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From: Biddeford,Me.USA
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posted 04-10-2003 09:09 PM
Will they put their money where their mouth is,Dustin?
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 04-11-2003 04:40 AM
Putting my bias for FoMoCo aside, I still don't think I would buy something that sounds like a 6-banger. Fast or not, IMHO, they sound cheap and crappy, (no offence to our six cylinder friends here). With two out of 10 cylinders firing at the same time, inside bores that aren't much bigger than a 221ci SBF (ok, a 170ci 6), it's not the same. Ok the bores may be bigger in the v10 but the sound is the same. ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'life's tough... it's tougher if you're stupid.' [This message has been edited by BlueMule (edited 04-11-2003).]
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 815
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-14-2003 02:30 PM
On the V-10? Thats current numbers for the latest Viper. The SRT-10 will have the same engine. With that said, it may still be a dog. It may not hook and my weigh to much. not sure on any of that.------------------
Dustin C
"The Mopar Guy!"
56 F-100
Mech. for wifes 69 Mustang coupe
65 Plymouth Barracuda
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 1536
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 05-01-2003 01:17 PM
GM has a Silverado SS out now with a 6.0L V8 and AWD. I think it has 345 HP and 380 ft pounds. I would like to see how that compares to the Lightning!
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grandestang
Gearhead Posts: 341
From: Lake Bluff, Illinois USA
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 06-04-2003 02:56 PM
Well if the future lightnings are anything like the concept in terms of power, I don't think anything will be able to touch it. Its has like 500HP. The engine in the concept is supposed to be dammned similiar to the 5.4 aluminum supercharged DOHCammer in the Ford GT. I'm really excited to see how much of the concept actually carries through to production- It would be really cool if that supposed +50HP super cooler that taps into the air conditioning for like 45 seconds makes it to production.Paul ------------------
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MLariviere
Moderator Posts: 3792
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 06-04-2003 10:00 PM
Hey,that's an idea! Run my ram air through the AC plenum!
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 815
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 06-18-2003 12:15 PM
Hope the Lightning makes it to production with little to no changes from the prototype. Dodge ditched the SRT-10.  Wonder what they will do with the HEMI in the future?------------------
Dustin C
"The Mopar Guy!"
56 F-100
Mech. for wifes 69 Mustang coupe
65 Plymouth Barracuda
70 Dodge Swinger [This message has been edited by Hell_Fish (edited 06-18-2003).]
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grandestang
Gearhead Posts: 341
From: Lake Bluff, Illinois USA
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 06-20-2003 08:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hell_Fish:
Hope the Lightning makes it to production with little to no changes from the prototype. Dodge ditched the SRT-10. Wonder what they will do with the HEMI in the future?
Are you sure, I thought the SRT-10 was going to be made sometime in December or another winter month this year. If so, is this recent news?
Paul
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68Rustang
Journeyman Posts: 52
From: Greensboro, Maryland
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 06-16-2004 10:44 PM
The SLOPAR you were refering to with the V10 is the SRT-10 like the Viper and the Neon its slow to just like the others. The SSR is fast (I test drove one the other day just to satisfy my intrest) but my dads 99 F250 Super Duty could manhandle one very easily with no trouble as long as I am the one driving it.HAHAHA, old people dont know how to drive fast.------------------
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1969 John Deere 4020 w/BBF 540 blown/injected
1979 F-250 460/5spd man.,12"susp lift,3"body lift,5.14DetroitLocker,48"SuperSwampers
1979F150drag truck
1977GMC Sierra 2500 w/383/400, 38"SuperSwampers 1979 F150
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BlueMule
Gearhead Posts: 1198
From: Kent Island, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 06-17-2004 07:29 AM
I've noticed in the new SRT-10 adds that they show what look to be F-150 doors flying all over the place... In the final moments, they finally show where the doors came from, and it wasn't a Lightning.------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.'
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Hell_Fish
Gearhead Posts: 815
From: Austin, TX.
Registered: May 2002
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posted 06-17-2004 04:31 PM
Talk about a old thread. If seems that the SRT-10 will be sold. Even a 6.1L version of the Hemi, but not for any trucks. It will be for the new Charger. With that said, I think the Lightning is a cool truck and fast and still say that it shouldn't be beaten by a stock Hemi.
What I would like to see is a SC Hemi vs a Lightning. It would be a apples to apples race. I could care who won that race, but I bet it would be cool! ------------------
Dustin C
"The Mopar Guy!"
CRC Motorsports
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-17-2004 06:45 PM
At $50k a pop, I don't see the SRT/10 being sold in any large numbers.------------------
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MLariviere
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posted 06-17-2004 09:24 PM
Those SRT/4's are supposed to be in the 12's,but with Neon Quality? Ther SRT/10 is packing 500hp,but i doubt it will have a following like the Lightning.
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racingjunkie
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From: Sebringville Ontario Canada
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 07-14-2004 06:06 PM
It seems odd to me that it takes Daimler/Chrysler 505 ci of v10, and GM 498 ci to do what the 5.4 Lightning and the 414 ci v10 Ford Super Dutys can do. hmmmmmmmmmm
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BlueMule
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posted 07-14-2004 08:30 PM
I like your logic!Welcome to M&M! ------------------
-Paul 70 Mach1 351C
79 Ranchero GT
97 Expedition XLT 5.4
00 SVT f150 Lightning 4149 of 4966 Born on: 06/26/2000 'If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.'
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BorgMoose7of9
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From: Aloha, Oregon, 97006
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 07-15-2004 02:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueMule:
Oh... that V-10 viper powered thing. Like you said, it's like the GM SSR. "It's coming soon. It's coming soon." and it never shows up. Once they do roll it out, if ever, nobody will be able to afford it.
Nope, the only people buying it will be drywall contractors and body shop owners...so their 20-lbs. overweight girlfriends and wives will have something to drive...lol..
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racingjunkie
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From: Sebringville Ontario Canada
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 07-15-2004 06:47 PM
From the looks of things soon you won't be able to buy a Daimler/Chrysler product that DOESN'T have the hemi in it. They seem to be stuffing this engine in everything they make. I guess they are trying to get some more mileage out of the "HEMI" stigma. The only real thing the NEW HEMI has in common with the OLD HEMI is it's name. I'm also not sure how long the V10 will be around, they have dropped it from their truck line and replaced it with the HEMI. If the SRT-10 gets axed because of poor sales (like the Prowler) then the only vehicle using the V-10 will be the Viper. I'm sure the folks in Germany who call the shots for Daimler/Chrysler see this engine as being very inefficient, especially since they can coax 600 reliable hp out of 6.0 liters in their top of the line drop top Benz.As far as a HEMI 1500 truck beating up on a Lightning,it's not gonna happen. Not without modifications to the Dodge. It may give the current Harley F-150 a good run, only because the Harley truck is not avalible as a two door half ton,so the Dodge will have the weight advantage. The torque of the supercharged Harley truck would make the race almost a dead heat, even with the extra weight.
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