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70MachT-5
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posted 11-05-2002 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The last several days my 2000 F350 starts fine but doesnt want to idle until I put my foot into the pedal a little. Then it idles fine. The last day or two the problem has gotten worse in that the engine cant seem to find its idle set point. It cycles up and down (500 rpm to 2000 rpm) until it dies. Last Sunday, I had to push the pedal to the floor for the rpm to pick up which it did slowly.

I took the truck to the selling dealer and the regular diesel mechanic confirmed the problem and went through his check list. His solution is to change the oil to a lighter weight (10w30). I dont usually got to that weight until later next month. I am running 15w40 and just changed it 1000 miles ago. The night time temps have dipped to 9-15 degrees with the day time temps in the upper 40's. After work, she starts up and operates just like usual.

My question: Is this something you guys have heard of happening? The tech writer says that no codes are coming up (like for a bad sensor) so the mechanic started with this fix first. They want to keep her overnight and see if the problem re-occurs tomorrow morning.

Also, I have noticed that the 'clatter' sound upon morning start-up is different. My 15 y.o. son said the same thing last night as his room is near the driveway. It doesnt sound good but I dont know if that is because if the extra cold temps causing the tolerances to widen or what.

Any comments?

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BlueMule
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posted 11-07-2002 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it's getting down to 9 to 15 degrees, have you tried a block heater? I don't know much about Powerstrokes but the few diesels I have driven hated that kind of cold.

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Dad Vishus
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posted 11-07-2002 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine won't start when its that cold without being plugged in for quite a while. My 2000 came with a block heater, I kindof assumed they all did.

I did start it last week-end when the temp was about 19 degrees and it started but the idle was up and down several times for a few seconds. It was just like when I move the truck when its cold and let off the throttle. Up and down very quickly but only for a few seconds. Mine has always done that.

Mine is much happier when its plugged in for a while before being started. In cold weather I cycle the glow plugs 2 or 3 times before cranking it also.

I don't drive mine every day, so I haven't had a lot of cold weather starting experience. I don't change oil weights either.

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posted 11-07-2002 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One other question. Does it go into warmup mode (higher idle) when the weather is cold?

After a minute or so, mine goes into a higher idle speed when its below about 30 degrees. The manual calls this warmup mode, I believe. If yours isn't doing that, it should be and that would indicate to me a sensor problem or something related.

Might ask the technician about that.

I'd sure think the oil weight answer sounds like a cop-out for something they can't explain otherwise.

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posted 11-07-2002 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BlueMule:
If it's getting down to 9 to 15 degrees, have you tried a block heater? I don't know much about Powerstrokes but the few diesels I have driven hated that kind of cold.


Yes, my truck came with a block heater as standard equipment. Since we moved out of Alaska in 1990, I havent plugged a vehicle in yet. The service writer said the same thing (have you plugged in the block heater?). I guess I should try that instead of risking the same consequence.

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posted 11-07-2002 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dad Vishus:

I did start it last week-end when the temp was about 19 degrees and it started but the idle was up and down several times for a few seconds. It was just like when I move the truck when its cold and let off the throttle. Up and down very quickly but only for a few seconds. Mine has always done that.

Mine is much happier when its plugged in for a while before being started. In cold weather I cycle the glow plugs 2 or 3 times before cranking it also.

I don't drive mine every day, so I haven't had a lot of cold weather starting experience. I don't change oil weights either.


DV, you describe the same characteristics as I have with mine (the idle bounces quickly after initial start-up and come to a stop sign).

I drive mine everyday to work. The next time it looks like it is going to get cold I will plug in the block heater. The Ford mechanic replaced the 15w40 with 10w30 (which is what we used in Alaska). He said the problem did not repeat the next morning. I will try the glow plug cycling too.

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70MachT-5
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posted 11-07-2002 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dad Vishus:
One other question. Does it go into warmup mode (higher idle) when the weather is cold?

After a minute or so, mine goes into a higher idle speed when its below about 30 degrees. The manual calls this warmup mode, I believe. If yours isn't doing that, it should be and that would indicate to me a sensor problem or something related.

Might ask the technician about that.

I'd sure think the oil weight answer sounds like a cop-out for something they can't explain otherwise.


Sometimes it goes to high idle, usually 1200-1500 rpm for a few minutes. I am going to re-read the PSD engine manual and see if there is something I am forgetting.

I have been very happy with my dealers service writer and the diesel tech. They take good carre of her when she is there and the SW listens to my concerns/explainations and is knowledgable regarding the PSD. However, I am still doubtful the oil weight was the problem. It could be but I am going to have to do some more research.

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cracing
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posted 11-28-2002 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cracing   Click Here to Email cracing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The International engine does use oil press to inject fuel.If the oil is low or real thick (cold weather) it affects the ammount of fuel each cyl is receiving, or not.The engine warmer is connected to, guess what? The oil cooler! When it heats the water in the oil cooler, it also warms the oil as it goes into the oil filter. Changing to a lighter oil will hasten this warming/circulation. A few bad glow plugs or a bad connection to them will give some of the same symptoms, so will fuel drain back. Aint nothin about these things priced right when they have to be worked on. Labor & especially parts!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-28-2002 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes you ask if they are really worth it?

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cracing
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posted 11-28-2002 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cracing   Click Here to Email cracing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My .02 is they are NOT!!!! INj $285.00 for one! reman water pump $229.00, reman starter $300.00, rad. $500.00, fuel press reg,processer,only $1700.00, 2 high amp Batt,4 gal of oil on changes, the one I drive for a large leasing co as a service truck gets 9 mpg. 11.6 petting it with no wind,most of my racer friends get 15 no tlr, & 8 to 11 with tlr. I can buy a hell of a lot of gas for my 81 BB 4dr dually with a $23.00 licence plate for the notes & ins. costs of a newer PS. Plus no stinking, knocking, hammering,vibrating truck.And take it from the voice of experience they are a LARGE pain in the rectum to work on, especially in a E350 van! The Ford/ Dodge/Cummins is worse! Dura junk Chev, HA HA HA HA HA. They are coming to take me away, HA HA, they are coming to take me awayEEEEEEEE. Yes mechanic work will do that to you nowdays

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-28-2002 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The torque is nice, but seems like you pay the price.

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BlueMule
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posted 11-28-2002 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah... but if you gotta pull a house off its foundation, a 'knocker' is the only way to go. Just plug that puppy in when it gets cold and keep the fuel clean.

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Dave_C
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posted 11-28-2002 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've good luck with mine I then. So have my racing buddy's.

Mine: 13K miles. 0 problems other than leaky rad. hose clamp and limited slip chatter that was cured with new additive for the rear.

Buddy 1: 46 K miles 0 problems
Buddy 2: 36 K miles, limited slip chatter only problem
Buddy 3: 181K, water pump at 150K, no other problems
My cousin: uses his daily to haul 20 ft enclosed trailer loaded with snack cakes (he's the distributor for grocery stores, etc) 75K+ with no problems. Bought his 2000 PSD to replace a Cummins powered POS Dodge.

Many other racing friends also have them. Very few problems. I'm sold on mine.

I get 18 mpg on the highway under 70 mph. 13 towing my old open trailer and car. A couple of months ago I took it to central Fla to get my dragster. 1100 mile round trip in 20 hrs. It was Interstate and we ran 78-80 mph the whole time towing a 26ft enclosed trailer and still got 10.8 mpg average.

The operating costs on the diesel is cheaper in the long run. Oil changes are more, but you save more than that in fuel costs, At least in my area.

Ex. Say I average 15mpg. 5K oil change interval per Ford. Diesel around here is $1.21. 5K mile fuel cost is 333 gals or $404

If I had a gasser, say 12 mpg at $1.31/gal (current price here) fuel for 5K miles is 416 gals or $545

$141 differnce more than covers the addtional oil change and other costs.

Gasser oil change DIY is $11.
Diesel DIY is $34, the only other additonal maint. cost on the diesel is a bottle of FW-16 cooling supplement ($7) every 15K and a fuel filter ($13 online), also every 15K. I also have a washable K&N air filter soI don't have to replace a $20 air filter every 15K.

Later,
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cracing
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posted 11-29-2002 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cracing   Click Here to Email cracing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well i have about $3500 in my 81. How much you got in yours? How much are payments, insurance,license plates? To each his own, and as the old story goes about the old man with a Lincoln, If he can buy one he can afford to keep it up.I am far too late in life to spend that kind of money for a truck.I had rather spend it on entry fees,tow fuel to & from track,those fresh tires you need with a 466 powered 68 Mustang, a drum of alchohol,etc,etc. A diesel just is not for me. Not at this time.
I hear some people say these same things about slant eyed ***tboxes too but I dont want one of those either
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Dave_C
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posted 11-29-2002 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not saying owning one is cheap. Owning *any* newer vehicle comes with a payment, insurance, etc.

I'm just comparing maint. costs. The slightly higher costs of maintaining a diesel pays for itself with the fuel savings.

I'm sure that an older, worn out or commercial diesel will have high replacement parts costs. But I got 210K out of my last gasser. I figure if I maintain this one to the same standard the engine will outlast the truck.

I also have a Honda Civic. A Foreign Car. Built in Canada. Love it. I drive it 124 miles per day round trip to work and back. 37 mpg running 75-80. Interstate the whole way. 93 model. Paid $1700 at auction 15 months ago. It ad 153K miles on it, but also had a full glovebox of maint records. 38K miles later the only costs have been gas, oil changes and a timing belt replacement just to be safe. ($160) I HATE import hot rod wannabes, but this car does what it's meant to do. Get me from A to B and back as cheaply as possible.

Later,
David Cole

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posted 11-29-2002 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't have much cold weather in Alabama to deal with, do you?

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posted 11-29-2002 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 99 PSD has 148K miles on it, always starts, so far only routine maintenance has been done and I get 20 mpg. Would I buy another diesel......YOU BET! My truck runs as good now as when new. I drive 40-50K a year and a diesel just makes sense to me under these circumstances. If you tow a lot, drive a lot or carry a lot then diesels make sense. Differant strokes for differant folks, it's all good. Bill

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posted 11-30-2002 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
You don't have much cold weather in Alabama to deal with, do you?

Not alot of cold weather. But I do live in the NE corner of the state. Foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. Big diff in temps here compared to say 300 miles south in LA (Lower Alabama) LOL. Average winter temps at night are mid-upper 20's, with a few cold snaps down into the teens and an occasional 5-10?F night. Usually about 2 snowfalls (2-4" each) and a couple of ice storms per winter. Daytime temps average upper 40's-mid 50's.

For winter I add 6oz (about 45 cents worth) Power Service fuel additive per tank. Just to make sure the fuel doesn't gel. That 6 oz/tank is supposed to make it good for -20?.

If I'm going to use the truck on a morning where it's going to be less than 20? I plug in the block heater. I have a heavy duty timer that I use for my swimming pool in the summer. I connect the heater to the timer and set it to come on 2 hrs before I need to leave. The guage is off the peg on startup and I have heat by the end of the block. A couple of times I forgot to plug it in when temps went into the teens. It started fine. Just took a few miles of easy driving until I had heat.

Later,
David Cole

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posted 11-30-2002 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother-in-law used to own a diesel vw jetta {she didn't ask me first} and that thing was horrible for cold weather starting. In fact, she used to let it idle all day long with the doors locked while she was working on the coldest days.

At home, if it wasn't plugged in when it was below 20, it wasn't starting.

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posted 12-16-2002 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Dad loved his 97 PSD until the trans had to be rebuilt. 101K on it and the rebuild cost around $4000.00. He started adding up how much he spent on maintenance (oil etc..)on the truck and it lost it shine to him in a hurry.

He now has a 2001 5.4 F-250. He for one will not go back to a Diesel. Just can't cost justify it.

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posted 12-17-2002 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
$4000! might as well pole the truck,and get your moneys'worth out of it.

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posted 12-18-2002 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep $4000.00

I believe the converter alone was 1200.00

My Dad's opinion of the PSD now is you either have to use it for business and make money with it, your travel alot, or you buy it as a yuppie truck. Much like the Chebbie truck buyers. My Dad calls them (chebbies) the "funlovers" truck. Cause you can't use em for work.

He has decided the PSD "cost of ownership" is too high. He like his 5.4 a bunch now.

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My experience is limited with my PSD. I have had it for 2 years now, but it has only a little under 17K miles. I basically use it to tow my trailer and drive it now and then when I'm not doing that. With mileage "piling up" like that, the thing should last me about 250 years.

I seriously love the power the thing makes. Its hard to describe, it doesn't throw you into the back seat when punched, but when loaded down a bit, the power comes on stronger. I kindof equate it to putting a huge motor in a light digger. The torquey power plant doesn't have anything to pull against. Make it work harder to put all that torque to work.

Hilly country is where mine shines. There are several hills on the way to the track every week and if some slow driver doesn't get in my way, the cruise keeps it right where its set.

KV drove it to N.C last Fall and he told me it went up the mountains (?) no problem. Sorry, but my idea of mountains is in Colorado.

I have seen an example of replacement parts cost. One of our racer friends hauls his car on an old slant bed F350 with a diesel. His fuel pump went out last year and it cost him over a grand for a junkyard one. Rebuilt was like $1800. Scared me to death!!

I like mine well enough that unless I decide to get a motorhome, I'm keepin it. I love the power and I really like the sound. Its like you have a real motor that has a life of its own. Its always talkin to ya. I dunno, maybe I'm strange, but I like that.

If I have to buy some costly parts somewhere down the line, I'll have to deal with that then.

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posted 12-19-2002 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DV,

Your sig line is soooo true . . . driving my F350 PSD crew cab dually to work everyday is like commuting in a B-52. And I LOVE it ! ! !

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quote:
Originally posted by 70MachT-5:
DV,

Your sig line is soooo true . . . driving my F350 PSD crew cab dually to work everyday is like commuting in a B-52. And I LOVE it ! ! !


I got that from a PSD web site. Can't remember which one now, but I thought that was a cool line and SOOOOO true.

I really like mine too. If the weather isn't too bad this time of the year, on Friday nights I just get in it and go for a drive. Have to keep all 4 rotors polished up.

Thats something I haven't mentioned before. The brakes on the truck are the best I've ever had on any vehicle. The monster disks behind those dual wheels are plain awesome. It stops my trailer right now!

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63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
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posted 12-20-2002 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I havent towed a trailer very often but when I have the brakes are more than enough to haul it down. Ive noticed EVERYTHING under my truck is BIG ! ! Big sway bars, big brakes, big springs, big shocks . . . bigbigbig

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posted 12-20-2002 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big $ too.

The Superduties all have the same suspension components. It is the Drive Train of the PSD that is extra Heavy Duty. And Extra cashola too.

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