Brought to you in part by:

.

Tools and Supplies at Eastwood

  Mustangsandmore Forums
  Ford Trucks
  **351m in a ranger**

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   **351m in a ranger**
351m
Journeyman

Posts: 6
From:
Registered: Jul 2002

posted 07-07-2002 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 351m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im new to this site(so take it easy one ok)lol. i have a 1976 or 78(cant remember the year)ford LTD. it has a 351m with 28000 orig. miles. i was wondering if i can put this motor in a 80's ranger. any help on what i would need and if it could be done. i would appreciate it. ~thanks~

IP: Logged

SteveLaRiviere
Administrator

Posts: 24286
From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
Registered: May 99

posted 07-07-2002 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a wide engine. The 351M is the same in external dimension as the 400. You also need to use the C6 transmission with this engine, and that's a big one too.

I notice that Kaufmann sells a swap kit for 302s, but nothing bigger.

http://www.kaufmannproducts.com/rangersw.htm

If there's enough room for the width, I think you can use the small block motor mounts Kaufmann sells because I am pretty sure they are the same:

http://www.kaufmannproducts.com/Web%20Page%20Pics/ranger%20v8%20mounts.jpg

Welcome to M&M!

------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1, '72 Mustang Sprint, '94 F-150
Pics

MCA Member # 47773

IP: Logged

351m
Journeyman

Posts: 6
From:
Registered: Jul 2002

posted 07-07-2002 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 351m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
on the tranny. will the tranny from the LTD work(is it a c6)?

IP: Logged

SteveLaRiviere
Administrator

Posts: 24286
From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
Registered: May 99

posted 07-07-2002 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will work, as long as it fits in the transmission tunnel. I don't know how tight they are.

You'll also need an oil pan and oil pickup from a 4x4 pickup with a 351M. {rear sump}

------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1, '72 Mustang Sprint, '94 F-150
Pics

MCA Member # 47773

IP: Logged

SteveLaRiviere
Administrator

Posts: 24286
From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
Registered: May 99

posted 07-07-2002 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 351m:
(is it a c6)?

Yes it is.

------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1, '72 Mustang Sprint, '94 F-150
Pics

MCA Member # 47773

IP: Logged

MLariviere
Moderator

Posts: 2538
From: Biddeford,Me.USA
Registered: May 99

posted 07-07-2002 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere   Click Here to Email MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll want to do some measuring too. The exhaust will probably give you the most headaches.

IP: Logged

351m
Journeyman

Posts: 6
From:
Registered: Jul 2002

posted 07-08-2002 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 351m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the help.
-how much do you think it will cost me to do the swap?
-is it worth it to put a 351m in a ranger?
-what motor swap would be the better choice in a ranger(think speed)?

IP: Logged

351m
Journeyman

Posts: 6
From:
Registered: Jul 2002

posted 07-08-2002 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 351m     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey, just noticed that you guys are from maine. i live in pittsfield, me.

IP: Logged

SteveLaRiviere
Administrator

Posts: 24286
From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
Registered: May 99

posted 07-09-2002 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, fellow Mainer!

How much it will cost is hard to answer, but the general rule of cars/trucks is that it will be 2-3 times more than you think.

I think a 302 would make a better swap, because it will be easier to swap and easier to make more power from.

------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1, '72 Mustang Sprint, '94 F-150
Pics

MCA Member # 47773

IP: Logged

TomP
Gearhead

Posts: 4055
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99

posted 07-09-2002 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking as a guy that drives a 302 Ranger every day... NO!!

Don't attempt that...a 351M puts out about the same power as a 2.3, weighs as much as a 460 and fits like one. It's an awful swap.

But if you insist... heater probably needs to be gotten rid of completely, the air plenum gets cut down a bunch just to fit a 302. The weight is going to make the truck a nose heavy turd for normal driving... expect a very bad weight distribution, my 87 shortbox 302 with a bunch of lightweight parts is 1765lbs front, 1080 rear empty, you will worsen that to 2000lbs front weight. The C6 is going to require a bunch of firewall chopping to clear that tall bellhousing, motor mounts would need to be made up. The left rear ports are going to be in the way of the steering, you'll need to move the column and use custom U-joints to avoid the head. Headers will need to be made if the exhaust manifolds don't clear (nobody has tried)

Best bet is to sell that 351 and buy a 302, much more satisfying swap.

[This message has been edited by TomP (edited 07-09-2002).]

IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Mustangsandmore Front Page

Copyright 2002, Steve LaRiviere


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47d

Amazon Honor System Click Here to Pay Learn More

[Where are the M&M Members From?]

[Build a free Mustangsandmore.ws Home Page!]

[About M&M][Acronym Guide][Calendar of Events][Chat Room][Classified Ads] [Links]

[Members' Photos] [M&M Mug Shots] [Technical Articles][Ford Parts Number Deciphering

[ Mustangsandmore.com Bookstore] [Advertise on Mustangsandmore.com] [Mustangsandmore.com T-Shirts]