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Topic: Compression ratio question
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-19-2005 11:01 AM
I've been trying to figure out what compression ratio I have in my 390.While doing a search on the internet I found this, http://www.galaxieclub.com/1968Specs.html What I now need to know is, how do I find out if I have the 9.5:1 or the 10.5:1? Will there be a marking somewhere on the car/engine, or a code in the vin? I would assume I have the 9.5:1 but I want to know for sure. Thanks. ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-19-2005 12:18 PM
Is the engine a 2V or 4V.Is the tag still on the coil..The engine designation on the serial number will tell you also.------------------ 68 Fastback 427MR 4 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140 speedo,am/fm,tilt.
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-19-2005 01:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by 427Fastback: Is the engine a 2V or 4V.Is the tag still on the coil..The engine designation on the serial number will tell you also.
2v. According to the link I posted the 4v came only in the 10:5:1. Thanks I will check the coil to see if it is still on there. I will also check the serial #. Thanks again. ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-20-2005 01:02 PM
9.5 to 1.------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-20-2005 01:13 PM
For the most part all the 2Vs are lower comp engines but......there is a high compression 2V lurking around usually refered two as an X code.Eng code will detirmine this.------------------ 68 Fastback 427MR 4 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140 speedo,am/fm,tilt.
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-20-2005 08:22 PM
I just went out and checked the tag on the passenger side of the windshield and it reads as this, 8E54Y122998 Can anyone read that and decode it for me or show me some place where I can decode it myself. I'm going to guess that the Y in the fifth spot tells me it is the 9:5:1. Either way all I know is that the engine is a blast I took her down to PA today too give her a good dose of Sunoco 94 and WOW. I only put in 17 gallons, which barely put her over half a tank, and cost me $42 dollars but what a difference. She runs smoother, quieter and is a s***load more responsive. The car is a blast to drive and pushes you into the back seat if you give her the chance I also got a new voltage regulator for her that I'm hopeing to put in some time this week or next along with new battery cables. ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-21-2005 05:59 AM
Character Y for 1968 identifies it as a 390 2V PREMIUM FUEL, so you have the higher CR.
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-21-2005 09:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by KULTULZ: Character Y for 1968 identifies it as a 390 2V PREMIUM FUEL, so you have the higher CR.
Can anyone else confirm this? ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-21-2005 01:56 PM
Everything I have indicates X as the code for a premium fuel 2V and Y as a reg fuel 2V.I dont have enough information (better books)(or eng tag #)to confirm this 100%------------------ 68 Fastback 427MR 4 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140 speedo,am/fm,tilt.
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-21-2005 03:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by 427Fastback: Everything I have indicates X as the code for a premium fuel 2V and Y as a reg fuel 2V.I dont have enough information (better books)(or eng tag #)to confirm this 100%
Other than on the tag on the passenger side of the windshield is there someplace on the engine itself that I can look? Or even take pictures of to post up here and show you guys? ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-23-2005 10:43 AM
I've been searching online the last couple days and just can't find anything online to decode the VIN. I will have to talk to my father-in-law to see if he has any books on it.------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-23-2005 11:08 AM
Is there a FoMoCo id tag on the drivers door?------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-23-2005 11:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Is there a FoMoCo id tag on the drivers door?
I'm not sure right off hand, I can check when I get out of work. I do believe I saw some tag inside the door jam. Why?
------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-24-2005 02:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Tien:I've been searching online the last couple days and just can't find anything online to decode the VIN. I will have to talk to my father-in-law to see if he has any books on it.
How much code breaking do you need? Y for 1968 is the 390 2V PREMIUM FUEL. Straight from FORD MPC. X was a 65/66 352 4V ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-24-2005 11:53 AM
according to my factory Ford parts book Y in 68 was a 390 2V prem fuel.....but they dont even list an X code for 1968 and we all know that X is the engine code in 68 for a 390HP 2V in at least two of their car lines.The link in the original post clearly shows one.So whats the code then for a 68 390 2V prem fuel eng in a 68 Galaxie then??------------------ 68 Fastback 427MR 4 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140 speedo,am/fm,tilt.
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-24-2005 12:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by KULTULZ: How much code breaking do you need? Y for 1968 is the 390 2V PREMIUM FUEL. Straight from FORD MPC.X was a 65/66 352 4V
X was the code for 66-68 mid and small car 390 2v premium fuel. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-24-2005 08:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker:X was the code for 66-68 mid and small car 390 2v premium fuel.
OK Alex. I see we are going to have another pissin' contest. What is the source of your statement? ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-25-2005 06:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by 427Fastback:...according to my factory Ford parts book Y in 68 was a 390 2V prem fuel
When you say factory FORD parts book, are you refering to the MASTER PARTS CATALOG for the period? quote: .....but they dont even list an X code for 1968 and we all know that X is the engine code in 68 for a 390HP 2V in at least two of their car lines. The link in the original post clearly shows one.
My issue of the MPC catalog does not reflect this. quote: So whats the code then for a 68 390 2V prem fuel eng in a 68 Galaxie then??
Y ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum- [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 04-25-2005).]
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-25-2005 11:41 AM
So then am I correct to assume that I have the premium fuel 10:5:1? And if so with these engines should I stick with 94 octane, go a little lower like 93, or go higher?Sorry for all the newbie questions, this is my first bib block motor and I want to make sure I do everything right. Also should I be using a lead additive? As far as I know the car has never been de-tuned and I have no plans too de-tune it. Thanks for all the help guys.
------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-26-2005 09:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by KULTULZ: What is the source of your statement?
The GOP ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-27-2005 12:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: Is there a FoMoCo id tag on the drivers door?
Here ya go. From the inside of the drivers door, Vin tag, Motor, And I had no idea that they would have had emission control systems on a car this old. ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-27-2005 07:38 PM
I have a set of Ford parts books.Eight binders in all.Five of part #s and 3 of illistrations with the basic #s on them.1964-1970.....As i ponted out they dont even list an X code.Maybe X code is a Merc.thing.. I still think Y is the low comp 390.I will dig some more...... I can see the tag on the coil mount,i would like to know the engine code that is stamped on it.I can look that number also.Usually a 3 digit # with a letter
------------------ 68 Fastback 427MR 4 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140 speedo,am/fm,tilt.
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-27-2005 09:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by 427Fastback: I still think Y is the low comp 390.I will dig some more......
Thank you. quote: Originally posted by 427Fastback: I can see the tag on the coil mount,i would like to know the engine code that is stamped on it.I can look that number also.Usually a 3 digit # with a letter
I will try to take a close pic of that area tomorrow to see if it helps you.
------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-27-2005 10:45 PM
The tag is removable.Most are long gone by now...
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427Fastback Gearhead Posts: 258 From: N.Vancouver.B.C Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-28-2005 12:43 AM
I just found a manaual that lists the following for 68 full size fords.. 390 2V...270HP.........Y-code 390 2v...280HP.........X-code 390 4V...315HP.........Z-code270HP.....9.5-1 comp 280HP....10.5-1 315HP....10.5-1 ------------------ 68 Fastback 427MR 4 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140 speedo,am/fm,tilt.
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-28-2005 09:03 AM
OK...There appears to be a discrepancy in the 65/71 FORD MPC (FINAL ISSUE MAY 75).You go to engine code Y; It reads... 66/67 390 2V 68... 390 2V P/F 69/71 390 2V R/F You go to engine code X; It reads; 65/66 352 4V 71/.. 122 2V No mention of a 390... You go down the ENGINE IDENTIFICATION CHART; NO. 317 390 2V P/F WARRANTY PLATE CODE X That directs you to P/L 60.6 and it reads the piston is the same as the 4V (indicating same short asm. but different induction) but does not specify 1968 (reads 66/68). So therefore, X must be the 68 390 2V P/F and the Y the R/F. The tag on the air cleaner should also read 390 2V PREMIUM FUEL to be the high compresion engine. A 1968 FORD SHOP MANUAL will have the correct warranty codes. ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-28-2005 11:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by KULTULZ: OK...There appears to be a discrepancy in the 65/71 FORD MPC (FINAL ISSUE MAY 75).You go to engine code Y; It reads... 66/67 390 2V 68... 390 2V P/F 69/71 390 2V R/F You go to engine code X; It reads; 65/66 352 4V 71/.. 122 2V No mention of a 390... You go down the ENGINE IDENTIFICATION CHART; NO. 317 390 2V P/F WARRANTY PLATE CODE X That directs you to P/L 60.6 and it reads the piston is the same as the 4V (indicating same short asm. but different induction) but does not specify 1968 (reads 66/68). So therefore, X must be the 68 390 2V P/F and the Y the R/F. The tag on the air cleaner should also read 390 2V PREMIUM FUEL to be the high compresion engine. A 1968 FORD SHOP MANUAL will have the correct warranty codes.
Discrepancy???????
------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-28-2005 11:19 AM
http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-28-2005 01:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/
Well that sort of helps. But being that it is for the Stang it dosn't tell me everything. I did not expect it to be this hard I'm going out to take a pic of the coil tag now, I will post it up when I have it. But for now I will assume I have the 9:5:1 with a chance of the 10:5:1 ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale:( ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390
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Tien Journeyman Posts: 43 From: NY Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 04-28-2005 01:30 PM
Some of it is hard to make out, with my luck the info we need , but hopefully this helps. Again I must say thank you all for the help and patience. ------------------ My cars: 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S (sold 9-11-04) 1997 Plymouth Breeze (wifes car) 1987 Nissan Sentra 5 door XE 1982 Yahama Maxium 750 1978 Ford Mustang II (other project car) 1970 Chevy Impala 4 door hard top w/350 vette (project car,For sale ) 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 w/390 [This message has been edited by Tien (edited 04-28-2005).]
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-28-2005 03:57 PM
OK...Your engine build code is 311. That crosses to a 390 2V Y (WARRANTY CODE).That is all the chart gives. Like I stated before, there has to be a misprint in the catalog. If you drop down to build code 317, it is a 390 2V P/F X, but no year is given. The ENGINE TAG identifies the model year-1968. Y has to be low comp. and X high comp. A FORD SHOP MANUAL will have the full data. ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 26811 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-28-2005 05:08 PM
Like I said about 20 some odd posts ago at the begining of this thread, 9.5 to 1 compression. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 834 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-28-2005 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker:Like I said about 20 some odd posts ago at the begining of this thread, 9.5 to 1 compression.
We forgot about your clairvoyance. Maybe you should partner with Dionne Warick and open a PSYCHOTIC FRIENDS HOTLINE ...sheesh... ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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