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Topic: '62 Starlift
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Thud
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posted 12-29-2003 10:49 AM
 
Does anyone have good pictures of the '62 Starlift racecar? My brother and I are looking for some (I found two Googling, but they're small and b&w)
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-29-2003 10:51 AM
I have several in books, but they are also smallish, and I beleive in black and white.
I can dig them up if you like.
Try the big car forum.------------------
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Thud
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posted 12-29-2003 11:22 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I have several in books, but they are also smallish, and I beleive in black and white.
I can dig them up if you like.
Try the big car forum.
I'd appreciate it if you would, Alex! Send them to [email protected]. Thanks!!!! ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 12-29-2003 01:07 PM
I just rearead you post. 
I don't have any pics of the "race car", only the roof itself and an add showing the installation of said roof on a 62 convertible. Sorry.  ------------------
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fordguy57
Journeyman Posts: 32
From: Mpls MN USA
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posted 04-14-2004 12:10 PM
what is a "Starlift" ?
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Thud
Gearhead Posts: 1407
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posted 04-14-2004 01:22 PM
In '62 Ford was at an aerodynamic disadvantage with the squared off, formal roof-line on the Galaxie. It was proposed to offer a removable hardtop for the convertible that had the profile of the '61 Starliner roof (Starliner shape, lift-off roof, hence the option name "Starlift").The fastback '62 was raced a time or two, and even won at Atlanta, before they were disallowed. Since they weren't eligible to race, production never happened. One fun story out of all this: The Starlift roof was made of fiberglas. The Pontiac people HOWLED about Ford using a "non-production" light-weight material. Apparently they were such jerks about it that at the next race the NASCAR inspectors showed up with magnets and sent all the Tin-Indians using the aluminum doors, hoods, fenders and bumpers (that the inspectors had previously turned a blind-eye to) home.
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KULTULZ
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posted 04-14-2004 02:49 PM
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1959 Thunderbird NASCAR convertible Holman-Moody modified this 1959 Thunderbird. This was a "zipper top" T-Bird whose hardtop could be removed for the convertible races popular at the time. This car was driven by Banjo Matthews.
From- -SQUAREBIRDS- The idea was not origional. It was used earlier to make a car legal for sedan ot convertible class. I have several photos, but they are on floppy's and my drive took a dive. I will post them hopefully this weekend.
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Thud
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posted 04-15-2004 07:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by KULTULZ:
The idea was not origional. It was used earlier to make a car legal for sedan ot convertible class.I have several photos, but they are on floppy's and my drive took a dive. I will post them hopefully this weekend.
Yep, Ford had that type set up all through the '50s (Curtis Turner's #26 and Joe Weatherly's #12 '56 Fords come to mind first). I think this was the first time they used a roofline that didn't exist otherwise. I'd like to find a good, clear picture (side-shot preferred) of either the prototype street car or the race car. I've only seen a shot of a prototype with the roof floating above it, and a fuzzy shot of Lorenzen's race car that only hint that it would be a neat looking car. Hmmmmm.... '62 Sunliner and a '61 Starliner (to pull a fiberglas mold of the roof).... Gives me idears.... (now if the lottery would just cooperate)
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JCQuinn@work
Gearhead Posts: 998
From: Lakewood, CO, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 04-15-2004 09:38 AM
I saw one of the 62s with the starliner roof at a stock car race in Nebraska. I didn't take any pictures though. John
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-15-2004 10:00 AM
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Hmmmmm.... '62 Sunliner and a '61 Starliner (to pull a fiberglas mold of the roof)....
I'll tell you what...A 60/61 STARLINER roof on a 62 would look good I think. The changeover kit was cataloged by HOLMAN-MOODY. It was a rough bolt-on...No fancy factory seams. There was not a quarter glass kit released for it. So you would have to splice in the upper belt of a 61 to have functional qtr glass and the rear of the roofline to appear as factory installation. If you had both cars, it wouldn't be that difficult.
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Thud
Gearhead Posts: 1407
From: Cumming,Ga.,USofA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-15-2004 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
I'll tell you what...A 60/61 STARLINER roof on a 62 would look good I think. The changeover kit was cataloged by HOLMAN-MOODY. It was a rough bolt-on...No fancy factory seams. There was not a quarter glass kit released for it. So you would have to splice in the upper belt of a 61 to have functional qtr glass and the rear of the roofline to appear as factory installation. If you had both cars, it wouldn't be that difficult.
I never knew it got far enough for a changeover kit to be released. I thought that only the few that saw race duty were fabbed. I'd like to have something phantom like a "62 Starliner" just to hear at the shows: "... I had one JUST like that back in '63!". ------------------
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-15-2004 01:03 PM
This is an excerpt from SUPER FORD MAGAZINE dated February 1982. It is contained in an article on the introduction of the 63 1/2 GALAXY. quote:
It was the ATLANTA 500 in the spring of 1962 when it became apparent FORD was playing the NASCAR game for keeps. Fred Lorenzen won the rain shortened Atlanta 500 with one of three specialty prepared 1962 GALAXY convertibles that had been fitted with a '61 FORD STARLINER roof by HOLMAN-MOODY of Charlotte, NC. Protests sprang up immediately as the sleek new GALAXIE proved to be more than a match for the GM and MOPAR teams. FORD argued that the cars were legal because the fastback roof style was offered as a kit which carrier a legitimate FORD part number, and it would soon be made available to the general public . Also, HOLMAN-MOODY had two complete kits to back up FORD's claims; but the complaints were so numerous that NASCAR had little choice but to ban the super speedway cars from future advents.
I came across this while searching for the issue that has a specialty feature on the STARLIFT. I am still searching. I am also holding in my formerely BUDWEISER encrusted fingers a copy of FORD SHOP TIPS, NOV 1963 (Special Feature 1963-64 FORD 427 C.I.D. HIGH PERFORMANCE ENGINE SPECIFICATIONS) Article 6 (Lightweight Body Components) for both the 1962 and 1963 FORD. So, a 1962 STARLINER with aluminum and fiberglass body panels would make one heck of a conversation piece.
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-16-2004 06:33 AM
OK...I finally came across the SUPER FORD edition (SEP 81) that has the (I thought) article on the STARLIFT.What it has is an artist's rendition of a '62 STARLIFT (#28 Fred Lorenzons), uses the same descriptive paragraphs of the origin of the car as used in the previous quoted article and goes on to explain that the other two cars were retired and #28 was kept for further testing. The article further states that in mid-year production, FORD engineers came out with a cross-bolt 406 for competition and also increased the engine size to 483ci. for testing. The engine was put into #28 and speed trialed at BONNEVILLE. It set 46 records, some of which held for 27 years. I know that somewheres I have (or have read a more descriptive story of the car. And I know one of the photos (B&W) I have shows two young ladies in a '62 SUNLINER with the STARLIFT roof asm suspended above it. The other photo I cannot remember but it is on floppy. I think the full story will be found researching HOLMAN-MOODY for those years.
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Thud
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posted 04-16-2004 06:58 AM
I traded e-mails with Lee Holman, but he wasn't very helpful.------------------
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-16-2004 08:53 AM
If I come across anything else on it, I will post it to this thread.
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-27-2004 06:35 PM
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KULTULZ
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From: Rockville, MD
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posted 05-29-2004 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:I'll tell you what...A 60/61 STARLINER roof on a 62 would look good I think. The changeover kit was cataloged by HOLMAN-MOODY. It was a rough bolt-on...No fancy factory seams. There was not a quarter glass kit released for it. So you would have to splice in the upper belt of a 61 to have functional qtr glass and the rear of the roofline to appear as factory installation. If you had both cars, it wouldn't be that difficult.
 
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KULTULZ
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posted 05-29-2004 08:52 AM
I finally found the other image. It is not of good quality. One needs to find the origional FORD brochure to get a good copy. 
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Moneymaker
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posted 05-29-2004 11:02 AM
I have b&w a pic of an actual Ford add for the option.
I'll scan it and post it.------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-14-2004 02:11 PM
Found color pics.
Will post tonight. ------------------
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Thud
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posted 06-14-2004 03:20 PM
Thanks Alex!
And many thanks, KULTULZ, for all the research and pics! I sure appreciate it!
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BarrysGrrl
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posted 06-16-2004 09:04 PM
 This is just like the one above, but at lease one of the pics is in color. Good luck on your hunt! ------------------
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BarrysGrrl
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posted 06-16-2004 09:19 PM
Here's another link with pics I found.  It's a model car, but better than nothing!Click here. ------------------
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KULTULZ
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posted 06-17-2004 03:23 AM
Thank You Young Lady!Your photo is of much better quality than the one I had. And thanks for the research on the model.
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MLariviere
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posted 06-17-2004 09:27 PM
Real cool!
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-17-2004 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
Thank You Young Lady!Your photo is of much better quality than the one I had. And thanks for the research on the model.
Suckin' up to my girl 'eh Gary?  ------------------
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Dad Vishus
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posted 06-23-2004 02:21 PM
While the Starliner roof looked cool and would have been an advantage for racing, I can tell you from experience it wasn't so cool.My Dad bought a brand new 1960 Starliner in metallic purple and white(roof). It had a 352 2 barrel and a cruise-o-matic 3 speed. No air conditioning. Air was not an option that was normally included in those days. Being but a young pup then, I was relegated to the back seat on long trips in the Summer and that big rear window made it a hot ride. The huge area of glass actially came over the back seat. It was miserable to ride in. The car was, however, the most unique car we ever owned and one that now would be rare. It was neat looking, there's no doubt. Dad has said many times that he wishes he'd have kept that one. ------------------
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JCQuinn@work
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posted 06-23-2004 04:10 PM
It was good for looking up at the stars when you and your date were discussing world events in the back seat. Never was back there during the day so I will take your word for it being hot and uncomfortable.John
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-24-2004 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker: Suckin' up to my girl 'eh Gary?
It would serve you right for being so mean to me... 
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-28-2004 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
It would serve you right for being so mean to me...
LOL I still love ya man. ------------------
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Sunliner62
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posted 01-06-2005 11:36 AM
 Just what I need!
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TomP
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posted 01-07-2005 02:06 AM
So there are either no rear quarter windows or some sort of window that fixes in place? I have my doubts Ford ever really intended to sell such a kit but just wanted to make Nascar think so.
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 959
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 01-07-2005 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by TomP:So there are either no rear quarter windows or some sort of window that fixes in place? I have my doubts Ford ever really intended to sell such a kit but just wanted to make Nascar think so.
KULTULZ posted 04-15-2004 10:00 AM
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I'll tell you what...A 60/61 STARLINER roof on a 62 would look good I think. The changeover kit was cataloged by HOLMAN-MOODY. It was a rough bolt-on...No fancy factory seams. There was not a quarter glass kit released for it. So you would have to splice in the upper belt of a 61 to have functional qtr glass and the rear of the roofline to appear as factory installation. If you had both cars, it wouldn't be that difficult.
If you will notice closely, the STAR-LIFT roof is a little different from the actual 60/61 STARLINER roof. It was meant as a bolt-on for racing purposes only. If one actually would consider making a 62 STARLINER, you would need a STARLINER donor (61 preferably). But please don't ruin your SUNLINER as it is one nice looking ride. I would find a 2DR. HDTP. to make the conversion.
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KULTULZ
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posted 01-07-2005 12:31 PM
 Are you considering a REMOVABLE HDTP. design so that you would still keep the convertible feature? Hmm...That would be neat. There has to be some tech. info on that kit somewheres. I bet there is at the least a top somewheres. I believe the rear glass (back glass) came with the kit. You would only need to fabricate a hold down for the top and maybe quarter glass (flat glass easy to make) that would snap in or out of the roof asm. as needed to keep out the weather (sort of like T-Tops) and align to the door glass. You couldn't use the conv. quarter glass as it would not fill the opening on the HDTP. It would have to remain in the down position when using the STARLIFT top. Next project would be to have it retract... ------------------
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KULTULZ
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posted 01-07-2005 12:48 PM
 
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-09-2005 12:05 PM
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