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Bloose
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From: Milwaukee, WI
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posted 06-07-2005 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose   Click Here to Email Bloose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted a link to the '68 Fairlane Wagon engine compartment in the Racing forum. Now that my motor is in I wanted to mention something.

On my Fastback I went with Headman headers, on the wagon because this was a budget motor of sorts I went with Summit Racing headers. Back when I ordered the headers for the FB the guy at Summit said the Headmans would likely fit better. Fact is, the Summit Headers fit better. Both sets slipped in pretty easy but the Summits have better clearence at the firewall on the drivers side. The Headmans have hit there and have a dent in them. The Summits have plenty of clearence. The Summits also appear to have a better flange area at the head.

So, if your looking for a decent set of headers for a 68/69 lane, by all means get the Summit's. The cool part is you save a few $$$ too.

B-loose

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Fstln69
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posted 06-10-2005 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bloose is that a 351 or 302 in the wagon.i used the headmans on the 351 and had to cut up the collectors to put an exhaust on
Dennis

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68 fastback man
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posted 06-10-2005 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 fastback man   Click Here to Email 68 fastback man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info. Im in the prosess of building my motor and i have already bought a set of summit headers but was a little conserned when i looked at them. I used headmans on my 67 and had alot of tight spots. the only thing summit didnt tell me was that i had to buy a bracket for my power stering to clear right so now im waiting on that to come in.

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Bloose
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From: Milwaukee, WI
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posted 06-11-2005 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose   Click Here to Email Bloose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right now the wagon motor is the original 302 (rebuilt). It will be getting a stroked 351 at some point in it's life but not for several years. The idea here was to build a motor to get the car through it's restoration. After that a stroker will be built and installed and the 302 will progress to the next project .

With the Headmans in the Fastback I had to cut up the collectors too, but that is because I have an AOD in that car. The AOD is a LOT wider than the C4. I think the Summits would have the same issue. The Headmans have several problems though,

1)Tight fit at the firewall on the drivers side. So tight in fact the Headers hit the firewall and dented. When the motor is static it all fits but it is close, and the dent proves it.

2) They leak like crazy at the head. I have spent a small fortune on gaskets to no avail. I have tryed just about everthing out there.

3) The tube around the bolts where the headers bolt to the head are way too tight (Clearence wise). So tight I can only get an open end on many of the bolts which likely contributes to the leaks. I have changed all of the bolts to button heads so I can use an allen to tighen them. On several of the bolts a ball allen is required so I had to make a long ball allen driven by a 3/8 socket. Again I think the ball allen is prohibiting me from getting them tight enough to stop the leaks.

So far the fitment is much better on the Summits. There are still some bolts that are a tight fit but not as bad as the Headmans. Also, it looks like they will seal much better.

I am planning a set of custom made big tubes for the Fastback at some point. I'll be really glad when I get those Headmans out of the car. I really wish I wouldn't have spent the money to get them coated.

Fastback Man,

The Waggy is Power steering and the FB is not. I got the bracket right from the get go for the waggy but mine didn't fit very well. I had to drill the holes out larger to get the bolts in. I also had a problem with the PS control valve hitting the bracket (hard) and I had to sawzall a chunk of the bracket out. I hope yours fits better.

B-loose

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Bloose
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From: Milwaukee, WI
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posted 06-11-2005 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bloose   Click Here to Email Bloose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, Let me know what you end up doing with the power steering hose (pressure). I am having a heck of a time with mine. I just cannot see how I can keep it off of my headers. I am thinking of getting something to wrap the hose with. Also, my car has AC and I have no place to mount the ignition coil. The factory mounted it on the intake but there is no way to mount it on my Edelbrock.

This is the fun of hot rodding. I would be very interested in what you come up with on the hose though.

Thanks,
B

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