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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 02-04-2000 07:49 PM
   
Think and research before you type, gang. Is it "K" or "D"? I have located a 1964 "K" code Comet Caliente and it does not (and I believe never did) have the HiPo 289 twixt the towers.------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-04-2000 09:06 PM
No such car DT. 289 HP was not available from Mercury untill 1965! The car is indeed a "K" code, but in Mercury parlance, that stood for 289-210 HP Challenger V-8. It is the same engine as a 64.5 Mustang "D" code 289-210 HP except that the Mercury recieved the larger 1.12 600 CFM Autolite carb, as opposed to the Mustangs 1.08 480 CFM Autolite carb. Why Mercury coded the engine a "K" code is a long yet interesting story. If more than 1 or 2 people are interested I'll tell it and explain.  Alex ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-06-2000 02:06 PM
OK, here it goes. By late 1962 Mercury division was hot and heavy into motorsports. The new fastback Marauders were coming and the rebodied Comet was ready. Fran Hernandez was appointed director or performance and given carte blanche. The reason for this was that L/M division was to have virtually no advertising budget for 1963-65. It was all to be funneled to Ford division. A lot was at stake with the release of the Mustang and it's success, so FoMoCo wanted no mistakes (read that as Edsels). Mercury began entering every type racing that they could compete in. NASCAR, USAC, European road ralleys, and of course NHRA/AHRA drag racing. They gave away parts and cars like candy. They had even fielded a team of cars for the Mobil economy run and won convincingly. This is where all of there advertising was to come from. The motoring press, all FREE! Their racing accomplishments got them tons of headlines and articles, hence free advertising. For 1964, the muscle car era had begun, and the days of the big car big engine were numbered. Mercury already laid claim to the name Cyclone as early as 1962. Their S-22 Comets were to be called Cyclones, but Ford division nixed the plan. So for 1964 everything was all approved, the car was done and very slick looking, all that needed to be laid in place were the drive train options. Mercury of course assumed that they would be privy to the 289-271` "K" code HP engine, and was preparing to mate it to a 4-speed with some really attractive rear axel ratios. They had the bucket seats, the console, the tach, the trim, the simulated chrome reversed wheel hub caps, they were ready to take Woodward ave. by a storm with this pocket rocket that had 4.11 gears as standard, and 4.30's as optional. That's correct, 4.30 gears as optional. All of the sudden a guy by the name of Lee something or other, got wind of this new hot Mercury for 1964. One of his stooges had dropped the dime! What's this????? OUR 289 HP in a Mercury? Not on your life! Because of the early 1964 introduction of the all new 1965 Mustang, and it only having 3 V-8 options, the top of the line being the 289-271, Ford division put the kebosh on the engine for Mercury division. Well, by that time, they had already started tooling and printed brochures. For still emphatically still said NO! They wanted absolutly nothing to steal any thunder from the Mustangs introduction. Especially from a sister division. Plans were already at hand to begin building A/FX 427 powered Cylones for certain racers, and B/FX 289 powered cars were already on the drawing boards too! When the Mercury engineers complained to Fran Hernandez, he told them to go ahead and "improvise"! Ford said that they could have the "D" code 289-210 HP 4V engine. So some of the engineers looked around the parts bins, and saw that the 1.12 600 CFM Autolites from 352 4V V-8 were quite plentiful, and would considerably enhance the performance of the "D" code engine. When no one was looking, the went ahead and put the deal together. With the larger carb the performance of the Cyclone would be equal to that of the lighter, less carburated Mustang. To add to the coo, the designated the engine with a "K" code. Since the carb was different, it was in essence a diffeent engine. And since Mercury had always had many of it's own engines that differed from Ford divisions, nobody noticed! When the car was introduced it was a smash in sales, both in the Caliente and Cyclone versions. Many sales were stolen from Fairlane because you could get a "K" code Mercury with an automatic C-4 transmission, and of course you coud not in the Fairlane. We know of course that it was not the same solid lifter engine, but they did not advertise as such. It was very confusing to the buying public, but the ploy worked and Mercury sold tons of Comets in 1964. Part due to their winning the Mobil economy run, and part due to their racing efforts. Next time your at a FoMoCo car show check out the 64 Cyclones, you'll almost find at least one or two. When is the lst time you saw a 64 Fairlane "K" code 289 HP ? Mercury fooled the public, and was able to sell more Comets than Ford could sell Fairlanes. Of course we all know where Fords efforts were consentrated for 1964, but that's another story. This is all fact, and although I left out some of the political details, it's pretty much the way it went down. I hope you all found it informative, abiet a little long. Alex------------------
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TomP
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posted 02-06-2000 04:10 PM
Thanks Alex...i found it very informative. Now i wanna go back to my Iacocca post at Sams Place and revise it.....that guy is a bigger weenie than i thought ! 
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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 02-06-2000 07:20 PM
Thanks, Alex. Whew!! What a story! Over the years I have seen '64 "K" Comets advertised and I wondered what the deal was. I found this Comet for sale a few years ago and wasn't sure about the "K" code. Now I know. I saw the car last summer in the same backyard (never sold), hmmmmm......
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-17-2000 10:23 AM
Wait untill you guys and gals hear about the 65 Cyclone that I just discovered in New Jersey.  Alex------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-19-2000 04:36 PM
OK I'll give you a hint before I tell you the entire story. It's a 65 and it has no 5th character in the VIN. NONE ANYWHERE! Not on the fender area, the door tag, or the title. BK top loader, 3 1/4 inch driveshaft, and a FACTORY 3.89 Detroit Locker.  More later. Alex------------------
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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 02-19-2000 06:35 PM
Alex, I'm gonna guess it's one of my favorite non-truck variety of Fords:
A / F X !!! Now the question is: which one? Hayden Proffitt's has been restored. Dyno Don's is in Floyd Garrett's Muscle Car Museum in Seviereville, TN (close to Gatlinburg). What others are still out there?? Could it be Doug Nash's? The A/FX cars ran 427's and the B/FX's ran 289's with webers. I think Doug's was a B/FX.
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I65Stang
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posted 02-19-2000 07:40 PM
This is the first time I remember that I have read this post, very interesting stuff. Do tell Alex, then buy it and send it to me :>). I am with DT, either an A/FX or B/FX racer. I'm guessing it was never liscensed either :>).------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-20-2000 01:17 AM
Close DT and Tim! Very close. You'll all be surprised. The whole story tomorrow before the race. Alex------------------
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kcode
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posted 02-21-2000 11:04 PM
One last guess, is it one of the special prepped pseudo Hipo used in the 100000 mile endurance runs with electronic ignition?Mike
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fordfan
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posted 02-22-2000 01:46 AM
The 100,000 mile endurance Comets Were '64s.Sohc?
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-24-2000 11:07 AM
OK, I have sucessfully made several posts this morning without interuption from AOL, so I'll try to finish this now. A week ago Monday I fellow by the name of Mark from New Jersey calls me looking for some original 289 HP or Shelby parts. (like I would have any right? lol) We get to talking about his car a 65 Mercury Cyclone black on black (rare color combo) 289 HP 4-speed. He purchased it from the original owner 2 years ago and that person was not that much of a gear head belive it or not. He bought the car because he liked it. He tells me that the serial number has no 5th character anywhere. Not on the body, engine, build sheet, or title. The car has a 289 HP for certain (the original with the vin stamped on it) BK 4-speed toploader trans which is not in any identification guides for a Comet or Mustang, a 3 1/4 inch drive shaft, and a 3.89 factory installed Detroit locker. The build sheet documents all of this, and by the way the car only has 56K miles on it. I do some digging and find out that the BK toploader is listed for a big block big body car 64-65. The vin is stamped on the rear shifter mount extension housing so it is indeed factory intalled. After some deliberation I came to the conclusion from my notes and experiences that this is an original B/FX car as shipped to the dealer with the Webers in the trunk, and the glass hood in a crate (which he has on the car). The car apparently never got converted for some reason or another and was sold as a regular Cyclone. FoMoCo never factory intalled Detroit lockers in anything but race intended vehicles like lightwieght Galaxies and T-bolts (until 1970), and that also explains the HD trans. Mark did not get the Webers as the original owner was not even aware of them or a B/FX car. Bottom line is Mark is happy now, and we will have a new member soon. Sorry for the delay in posting and send all complaints to AOL! Alex------------------
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mustangs68
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posted 02-24-2000 04:53 PM
Alex..did he happen to say appox how much he paid..I know I'll get sick..ths sounds like a winner to me..thanks for sharing!
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-25-2000 11:37 AM
You know Sam, we never did get around to talking about what he paid for the car. I'll find out and let you all know. Alex------------------
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TomP
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posted 02-25-2000 01:53 PM
Wow what a find !! That sounds exactly what it is. A local wrecking yard had a Cyclone scooped hood...i drove my Ranchero in one day about 10 years ago,with my new repro 427 Fairlane hood on it,they said "we have a Cyclone hood" i am always interested in that sorta stuff so i looked,i had been to that yard dozens of times over the years and never spotted it  but in the hood rack was a 64-65 Fiberglass scooped hood,the two ducts on the underside which lead into the 2 carbs had been cut round for an air cleaner.
I paid the $50 they wanted for it and scooted home  ...there must have been 50 coats of paint,the hood had the edges of the original carb holes in the underside , these mated up to the Hi Riser carb spacing only. bit of a note here,of all the Ford dual-quad setups only the Hi-Riser has secondary metering blocks and the carbs are spaced further apart,the front carb is high enough to fit over top of the distributor.
So now i was curious,i called Rick Kirk, a Comet FX expert,and desribed it,it was for sure a factory one....it had been at the wrecker since the late 70's...so back to the wrecker for clues... they used to have the Comet..it had a straight axle and a 351 C in it when they got it,but it was long gone.
This made me very curious only lately as i came to realize the 65 Comet with the straight axle that i always saw going out to my Aunts house in the 70's was likey that one. the story of the 16 year old me going to the house and asking about the car is for later (it was Hells Angels clubhouse)
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posted 02-08-2004 10:47 PM
Just thought I'd bring this to the top once again since the K code 64 Comets have been popping up again as of late.------------------
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posted 02-13-2004 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Wait untill you guys and gals hear about the 65 Cyclone that I just discovered in New Jersey. Alex
Another great find in this state I live in, I?m sure I?ll find something out of the ordinary sooner or later.
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KULTULZ
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posted 09-24-2004 12:56 PM
From 60/64 LINC-MERC MPC1964 MERC COMET ENGINE CODES D- 289 C.I.D. 4V CARB. (Special Performance)(Identified By Transistorized Ignition System) K- 289 C.I.D 4V CARB. (Cyclone)(Identified By Chrome Dress-Up) F- 260 C.I.D. 2V CARB That is the only powere listed other than sixes and export.
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_____________________________________ I could not find the origional thread that we were initially arguing on Alex. If you can find it, can you tag it onto this one? My contention is that the car was assembled and sold to the public as a passenger car. ------------------
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posted 09-27-2004 10:21 AM
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posted 09-27-2004 10:50 AM
OH HARK...HARK I SAY!Do I hear the Jingle-Jangle of a Pizza Truck coming closer? Did I mention I also like ICE COLD BUD with my free pizza...  [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 09-27-2004).]
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KULTULZ
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posted 09-27-2004 01:22 PM
Am I going to get that pizza or are you just going to send store coupons for frozen? [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 09-27-2004).]
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-04-2004 03:11 PM
As we (most of us anyway) all know, FoMoCo printed all kinds of "pre-production" literature on options that never made it into RPO cars.W code 427 Mustangs, Daytona two speed rear axles, Boss 429 Cougars etc.As I have stated many, many times over.
The 1964 Cyclone was indeed slated to have the 289 Hipo, but it was killed by Iococca.
That much is fact!
It was to be the one and only engine option, hence the "K" code designation remaining in the serial number.
LM division never received more than a handful of Hipo 289 engines and they went into race cars slated for B/FX or ralley competition. ------------------
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KULTULZ
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posted 10-04-2004 04:38 PM
Sorry you feel that way...but sorry you are wrong.
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-04-2004 05:41 PM
No Gary, YOU are the one who is wrong.
Your TSB don't prove sh*t! ------------------
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posted 10-04-2004 07:55 PM
Again, that is your opinion. Mine is based upon fact. Yours is based upon... ?
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posted 10-04-2004 08:49 PM
Get those crabs ready for a loooong trip west. ------------------
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posted 10-05-2004 02:27 AM
Ain't gonna be no crab sir... What happened to the other post? It has disappeared from the data base. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/007864.html ------------------
I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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posted 10-05-2004 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
Ain't gonna be no crab sir... What happened to the other post? It has disappeared from the data base. https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/007864.html
That was probably deleted for space reasons. I have to continually delete old or redundant posts to save server space so our site won't crash. ------------------
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posted 10-06-2004 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:That was probably deleted for space reasons. I have to continually delete old or redundant posts to save server space so our site won't crash.
Most likely for political reasons...  What about threads that contain valuable technical information? Are they kept?
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posted 10-06-2004 10:37 AM
Political reasons? Yes gary, that is correct.
We always delete posts from "older" Maryland members who look like and support Ralph Nader. ------------------
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posted 10-06-2004 01:19 PM
What I was trying to get across is that there was a lot of technical information on that thread that was lost as a result of it's being deleted. That thread was in one of the quicker moving forums and I asked at that time if it and the two others (same subject) could be combined in some way so that portions would not be lost.You sure you guys aren't CLINTON supporters? ------------------
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posted 10-06-2004 04:21 PM
Naw, Hillary sags too much for anyone to support. ------------------
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posted 10-06-2004 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
Most likely for political reasons... What about threads that contain valuable technical information? Are they kept?
I take offense at that. I do not do anything for political reasons. I don't remember that particular thread, but if I deleted it I probably determined it contained no valuable data or it was repeating info that was on another thread. It is impossible to keep every thread that's posted, this web site would crash in days if I did. ------------------
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posted 10-06-2004 09:52 PM
See the new thread at the top of this forum that will end this once and for all.
Print FoMoCo proof that shows NO 289 Hipos were ever offered in 1964 Comets as RPO options.
As usual I was right again. (did any of you ever have any doubt?)
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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 10-13-2004 10:18 PM
I was just curious. Several years ago I looked at a '64 Comet Caliente that was for sale. I looked at the door tag and the engine code was "K". But under the hood I found a regular 289 4V with C4 transmission. The car looked all original.Tracy
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posted 10-14-2004 12:49 AM
Yes it was probably original as the 64 Merc "K" code was in reality the same as a Mustang "D" 210 HP engine but with a 1.12 4100 series Autolite carb. They were both rated at the same 210 HP.
I have seen hundreds of "K" code '64 Comets and am currently working on one.
A Caliente 2 dr hdt with an automatic and a/c.
They all were and still are 289/210 HP hrdrraulic lifter lopo engines.------------------
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posted 10-14-2004 06:39 AM
WARRANTY PLATE CODESThe engine letter designation on the warranty plate does not necessarily designate the same engine/rating from one line to another. In 1958, J was the designation of the 430/400HP 6V engine used in both LINC and MERC. When the LINC 375HP 4V was installed in the 59/60 BIRD, it also had J as the engine identifying letter, although the engines were completely different. The 1961 FORD used the letter Z to designate the 390, all three versions, the 300, 375 and 401. Further assembly details are called out in the Engine Assembly Tag. FORD and MERC did not use the same door plate designations that year and I would assume many more.
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cobrajeff
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posted 10-15-2004 05:36 PM
The engine codes used by Ford Division and Lincoln Mercury Division were sometimes different, sometimes the same, and, sometimes, not entirely well documented in Service literature.The normal "K" code 289 engine in the Comet is a Regular Fuel 289 4V engine, rated at 210hp - like the "D" code engine used in Mustangs. Although some TSB's say that Comet was going to use a "D" to identify a 289/271 engine in 1964, most HiPo Comets have an "F" (260) or "K" (289/210) 5th digit. Most known documented 1965 HiPo Comets have an "A" code (typically designates a 289/225hp Premium Fuel 4V engine). In 1968, my Dad bought a new Mustang with a 390 engine. The identifier in the vehicle VIN was an "X", which is a Mercury 390 2V Premium Fuel engine. Service books do not list the availability of the 390ci Premium Fuel engine for Mustang - but, we had one in the garage. Really caused havoc a few years later when my younger Brother bought the car - the Insurance Company thought it was one of the 50 428CJ cars built in 1968. Had to take it back to the Dealer to get verification that it really was a factory 390 2V, and NOT a 428CJ 4V. regards, cobrajeff
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posted 10-16-2004 01:18 AM
X codes are not all that rare. We have a few members right here on M&M that have them including one GTCS "X" code car.
My original 68 Mustang owners manual shows "X" code 2V engine along with a "W" code 427 maintanace schedules.
I just recently saw a 68 X code Cougar offerred for sale in my area.
Believe it or not, it was intended as a towing option.
Deviations have always been common at FoMoCo.
Especially in the Performance Years.
Bob Tasca had several 427 powered factory built T-Birds for demos and a one off automatic Boss 429 Mustang.
Of all the B/FX, Ralley, Endurance, and Road Race Comets, most if not all had 289 Hipo's, but they were deviations, not RPO cars.
In case anyone isn't clear, RPO stands for Regular Production Option.
The ones that I have seen (64 Hipo Comets) had either a blank 5th digit or a "0" stamped in the VIN.
ALL of the 1964 K code cars were 210 HP units.------------------
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KULTULZ
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posted 10-17-2004 08:53 PM
-1964 COMET Engine Door Codes--1965 COMET Engine Door Codes- The above examples are the way it is presented in service and parts information. It shows the codes do not carry from year to year or line to line.
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posted 12-06-2004 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:As we (most of us anyway) all know, FoMoCo printed all kinds of "pre-production" literature on options that never made it into RPO cars. W code 427 Mustangs, Daytona two speed rear axles, Boss 429 Cougars etc.
NO BOSS 429 COUGAR?! DING! Round Two... ------------------
I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum- [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-06-2004).]
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posted 12-06-2004 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
[b]NO BOSS 429 COUGAR?! DING! Round Two... [/B]
Round two?
You ain't won round one yet buddy.
It was a KO! LOL
What part of RPO don't you understand? ------------------
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Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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KULTULZ
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posted 12-06-2004 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:Round two? You ain't won round one yet buddy. It was a KO! LOL What part of RPO don't you understand?
I won Round 1 with factual information, not hearsay (or some long drawn out disertation of same). I hit you with fact, you hit the mat. What we are hearing now is the, "I Dance Like A Butterfly And Sting Like A Bee" routine.  Whether RPO (how many build options are DSO?) or not, the car was built and offered for the street. -Official Home Page of BOSS 429 Mustang World Registry- quote:
In January of 1969, Ford Motor Company started production of the 1969 Boss 429 Mustang. Featuring the stock Nascar version 429 engine. The cars were actually built by Kar-Kraft at the KK-Brighton assembly plant, located in Brighton, Michigan. Each vehicle was hand assembled. 1969 production ran from January 1969 through July 1969. Total units produced: 859. This includes 2 - 1969 Boss Cougars. 1970 production started in August of 1969 and ran through December 1969. Total units produced: 500. This includes 2 - 1970 Quarter-Horse Mustangs. Total production for the Boss 429 Mustang; including the two 1969 Cougars and two 1970 Quarter-Horses: 1359 vehicles.
Doesn't Barry's Girl of Barry have some pictures for Barry to hang or something? I think you need to keep playing with FOX MUSTANGS and leave DEARBORN history to others....
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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.
Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum- [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-06-2004).]
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posted 12-06-2004 12:34 PM
You really need to do something about that crab that crawled up your a$$ and nested Gary.
LOL
This one is so stupid that it's not even worth responding to.
Boss 429 Cougars intended for the street. Yeah right. 
Any idea of where those to Cougars went?
Ever seen any of the Quarter Horse's?
I do and have.
Doug Sulko is a near by friend of mine and owned one of the Quarter Horse cars.
Do you have any idea of what it took (even by 1969 standards) to get a car emission certified?
You should stick to stuff within your own AARP support group.
Pre 1963.
Too bad you never raced Gary, you might have learned something about FoMoCo strategies beyond your precious TSB's.
While you are at it, look up 1986 Aerostar 2.6 carb concerns.
I think it still holds the record for TSB's.
(ps, this is still fun)
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Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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KULTULZ
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posted 12-06-2004 01:22 PM
Why wouldn't the COUGARS not been street legal? The MUSTANGS were... They comply with emission law regarding the engine, not the vehicle. This again shows your lack of knowledge on the subject...  quote:
You should stick to stuff within your own AARP support group.
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posted 12-06-2004 01:42 PM
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posted 12-06-2004 01:48 PM
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MCA member# 53321
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Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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posted 12-06-2004 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
They comply with emission law regarding the engine, not the vehicle.
WRONG!
Why do you think that FoMoCo only installed the Boss 429 in Mustangs?
Every engine/chassis/trans combo calibration must be certified. Always was and always will be since the standards were implimented by the Feds. Once again your lack of real world knowledge rears it's ugly head.
What would you do without the internet?
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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posted 12-06-2004 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by KULTULZ: They comply with emission law regarding the engine, not the vehicle.
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:WRONG!
STOP YELLING! ...sheesh... quote:
Why do you think that FoMoCo only installed the Boss 429 in Mustangs?
Hmm...Bet it had something to do with having so many engines manufactured for NASCAR compliance. Most likely BOSS 429 GALAXY 500's would not sell well. Ever hear of the MUSCLE CAR RACE? quote:
Every engine/chassis/trans combo calibration must be certified. Always was and always will be since the standards were implimented by the Feds. Once again your lack of real world knowledge rears it's ugly head.
Define Calibration Code in your usual three thousand words or more... quote:
What would you do without the internet?
Most likley associate with a more knowledgeable class of car enthusists... [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-06-2004).]
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posted 12-06-2004 06:23 PM
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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posted 12-06-2004 09:16 PM
Sometime in the 70's a Ford engineer told me that if they change anything on the car they have to do a complete recertification process on the "New" combination. I don't know what year that became the law but thats why the options for the cars became almost non existant.In the old days you could order the cheapest lightest body with the most powerful engine. Now you have to buy the car as a package so you get to buy the most expensive and heaviest body in order to get the most powerful engine. Works fine for the cruisers but it's hell for the hot rodders. John
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posted 12-06-2004 09:55 PM
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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 12-21-2004 07:55 PM
From the Boss 429 Registry in the post above:All vehicles, except for a handful of prototypes and a couple of factory drag cars; were completely assembled & fully dressed with thermactor pollution equipment, power steering, & exhaust manifolds. The cars were required to go through a complete final inspection for equipment verification and certification prior to final shipment. I believe the two Cougars were some of the factory drag cars (NHRA Super stock) to which this refers. Fast Eddie Schartman got one of them. No dealer could have ordered a Boss 9 Cougar for the street. The discovery of one of the Boss 9 Cougars was detailed in Mustangs And Fords a few years ago. Tracy
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posted 12-21-2004 08:04 PM
I found more from the Boss 429 Registry:We also have 12 factory backed or sponsored drag cars located; which includes both Cougars and the remaining survivor Lawman car. Both Quarter-Horse Composite vehicles are known, as well as Mickey Thompson's 1969 Super-Stock
"War Toy" drag car! So...the Cougars were not street legal. Tracy
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posted 12-21-2004 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by DidgeyTrucker:From the Boss 429 Registry in the post above: All vehicles, except for a handful of prototypes and a couple of factory drag cars; were completely assembled & fully dressed with thermactor pollution equipment, power steering, & exhaust manifolds. The cars were required to go through a complete final inspection for equipment verification and certification prior to final shipment. I believe the two Cougars were some of the factory drag cars (NHRA Super stock) to which this refers. Fast Eddie Schartman got one of them. No dealer could have ordered a Boss 9 Cougar for the street. The discovery of one of the Boss 9 Cougars was detailed in Mustangs And Fords a few years ago. Tracy
I BELIEVE? Need just a little more than that Tracy... ------------------
I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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posted 12-21-2004 09:33 PM
I believe...................................
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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STEVEB
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posted 12-29-2004 11:19 AM
This thread just answered my own question,I just bought a 64 cyclone and the engine and trans are gone,but it does have the"K" designation for the engine,but it is an automatic car and if I've been reading right no 271 horse 289's came with an auto trans,so it is in fact a 210hp 289 car.
Thanks for clearing ths upSteve
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posted 12-30-2004 04:44 AM
I think I read in the FCA's magazine "Fairlaner" a couple of years that the C4 was avaible from about April -64 in Fairlanes with the 271 hp 289. They also had a pictures of one found with that combination.
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This is the post that started it all!Look at the date of the original post and the original question. Tracy ------------------
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