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Moneymaker
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posted 09-19-2002 03:29 PM
   
Well, many have argued with me that there were none.  GUESS WHAT? I now have proof that they were built. 
All hardtops as opposed to mostly sedans in 1964.
Now just as soon as Beth gets here and helps me work this con founded scanner........... ------------------
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MLariviere
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posted 09-19-2002 11:38 PM
I have seen pics of them before. They were mostly white cars. I think the 65's were hit with the ugly stick way too hard.  Who the heck came up with that one? 
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Moneymaker
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posted 09-20-2002 12:22 AM
This one is candy apple RED! ------------------
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posted 09-25-2002 02:52 PM
Alex, I would love to see some pictures. I have always heard that a few were built in 65 but I personaly have not seen any. My 65 is a pro-street, with a small block and automatic. Joe------------------
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TomP
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posted 09-26-2002 10:41 PM
as far as i know there was just the one Darrell Droke had it at first. I think the same car changed a few times, first having a 427 High Riser then a 427 SOHC. I'd be curious if there was more than one. 65's aren't my favorite either. 
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Bob Hopkins
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posted 09-27-2002 03:53 PM
the only one I really remember was Darrel Droke's I remember seeing it in the magazines in 65 or therabouts,vagly rememberone or two others,I think Ford jumped to Mustangs in 65!!!
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 10:38 AM
Still no scanner. I have e-mailed HP support three times now with zero response. Keeps telling us that there is no scanner program, yet the printer works fine. 
One of the cars pictured is the poppy red Droke car. The other is the Jerry Harvey candy red car sponsored by Paul Harvey Ford and it is gorgeous.  ------------------
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65frlane
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posted 10-11-2002 02:49 PM
Maybe I can clear up some of the confusion here. Recently I spoke with the man himself..Darrell Droke. He did indeed have a 1965 Ford Fairlane T-Bolt from ford that was given to him to race by Ford. Red in color. He had the car for approx 4 to 5 months. Problems keeping rears in it. He then was switched to the 66 Mustang Funny car. He did not remember what happened to the car but thinks it was sold to a guy in N. Michigan...So where is it or what happened to it??????? HHHMMMM.... ------------------
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-14-2002 02:10 PM
Welcome to M&M 65frlane !
The Droke car is one of two 65 T-Bolts that I have documented. The other is Jerry Harvey's Candy Red T-Bolt that was converted to SOHC power in 1966.
Will try scanner again tonight. ------------------
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posted 10-14-2002 05:48 PM
Here is a copy of an e-mail that I recieved:Alex, I spoke with Jerry Harvey today. He stated he had a 65 Galaxie B/FX
car. No fairlane( Could he be wrong its been a long time? )He stated he had
a 67 that he took off the showroom floor had it delivered to Holman and
Moody and drag raced that. He remembers the Droke car. He was at Kingsman
Arizonia in 64 with the first 12 T-Bolts at there testing. He did not drive
them then but later got a ride at Indy that same year when Ford had a car
Lying about that was not given out yet.He has no idea what happened to the
Droke car. Please send me what you have and I will forward them to him.
Maybe we can clear this up. He gave me a couple of names of Ford guys at the
time who might be of some help if I can find them...Thanks and the search
continues....Geoff Bradley Now I have also recieved e-mails from several internet drag racing magazines telling me that no such car existed with or without a SOHC cammer engine. All I have to say is BAH! 
I have the damn pictures of the car with Jerry Harveys name lettered accross the entire side of the car. LOL
I can't help it if the poor old guys is having memory lapses.
I'll get this scanner working one way or another or I'l go to Circuit City where I bought the piece of sh*t and scan it from there. Sheeeeesh! LOL ------------------
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posted 10-14-2002 08:57 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/427fairlane/history.html ------------------
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65frlane
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posted 10-21-2002 02:25 PM
Ok............Bill Rider who was Jerry Harveys mechanic in 1966 says that Jerry 65 T-Bolt was Darrell Drokes old car from 1965. In 66 they switched to SOHC power from the wedge that Droke used. In Larry davis book he says that 2 65 T-Bolts were made. Perhaps now only 1 since Drokes car and Harveys are one in the same???????? Everyone is still trying to figure out what happened to it...As soon as I get more info I will pass it on....Geoff
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-21-2002 05:45 PM
There were at leat two 65's built. One of my friends is Ray Paquet, Jim's brother. He owns an original 64 T-Bolt and races it with the NHRA and IHRA in SS/B. One of his crew members worked for DST. He recalls that they built two complete running 65 T-Bolts and a few semi-finished cars less engine and trans.
The semi-finished cars were never serialized and he does not remember where they were shipped. ------------------
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posted 10-21-2002 06:38 PM
How does one get the serial numbers for the 2 that were made? Maybe then we can determine who or where they are. Can your friend help in that respect?,,,Geoff
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Moneymaker
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posted 10-21-2002 07:34 PM
I doubt if he has them or any written record of them, but I'll ask. he may have some pics though. ------------------
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posted 10-22-2002 07:30 PM
Were the two we are talking about hardtops are sedans?? I still would love to see some pictures, if anybody has any. Thanx, Joe------------------
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posted 10-22-2002 07:35 PM
Hardtops. ------------------
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posted 10-23-2002 01:07 PM
JOE, Both Drokes car and Harveys can be seen in Larry Dvis Book..Superstock Drag Racing the Family Sedan. They are one and the same but Droke had his in 65 harvey repainted it and used it in 66....Geoff
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posted 10-28-2002 05:32 PM
A lot of new information has come my way. I spoke with Bill Holbrook who was there at the time. He had been with Ford since 1955 and retired in 1985. He worked in the Performance and Economy Division. He was promoted to senior mechanic and got 6 stalls in the Ford Experimental garage. He had been involved in the T-Birds Galaxies etc. and involved in the Mobil economy run with the early Falcons. The 2 and only 2 cars that he says can be called Thunderbolt type were the "Quiet One " a 65 Galaxie 427 SOHC 4 speed and the 65 Fairlane of Darrell Droke. He says he remebers testing it at Ben Christs Fontana Dragway running only kickoff's and half shifts because they had no Fire or safety guys there. Says it hauled Butt. He says the car was built in the Ford garage but the shock tower work was done by DST.Due to union constraints it was cheaper to farm sheet metal work out. I have a lot of other info, but basically there was only 1 65 T-Bolt Fairlane that he knows of and he was there. I'am going to try and get pictures from Darrell of the car ( Known as the Wonder Colt). E me if you need anything else...Geoff
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posted 11-04-2002 10:01 PM
I'am looking for any older gents out there from the 60's who may remember any Michigan drag Strip owners or promoters. It would have to be from 1965 on. This could be very helpful to me in regards to the 65 fairlane. Any leads would be great..thanks...geoff
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posted 11-05-2002 03:17 PM
E-mail JPT. [email protected]
He was born and raised in Michgan and raced there all his life.
Oh yeah, and his brother races too. He has one of those lightning bolt things or something like that.
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posted 11-14-2002 11:47 AM
What is the best ET&MPR for Ray Paquets SS/B car?
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posted 11-25-2002 04:04 PM
Ok I located the correct Schmidt. Harry has since died but I spoke to his son Ed. He was supposed to get the 65 Fairlane from Ford in late 67. The deal never happened. Ed had gone down to Jerry Harveys shop in Indy and started working on the car. Ford changed there mind and Ed got a new Holman - Moddy 67 Fairlane instead. So he thinks the car went back to dearborn..HHHMMMM...I'll keep looking...GB
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posted 11-26-2002 02:11 PM
Ray Paquet's best ET and speed are 9.20 @ 142 MPH. Us Nationals 2002. He lost class on that run to a much slower 9.37 with a tremendous 1.09 reation time, ------------------
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posted 11-26-2002 02:27 PM
Here are the pics FINALLY!
The pics and the text leads me to belive that these are two different cars. There are entirely too many inconsistancies between them.   ------------------
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posted 11-27-2002 06:37 AM
I like '65 Fairlanes.... I'd purely LOVE one with a 427 (Wedge, Tunnelport, or Cammer... I'm easily pleased!) ------------------
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posted 12-03-2002 11:12 AM
Alex, Don't beleive every thing you read. Jerry Harvey got that car after Darrell Droke and the car was repainted etc. I have heard that lead was put into strategic locations on the car for weight advantages. ( roof pillar and possibly under the headliner). I got that from Ed Schmidt who was to be the third owner after Harvey but it never came to be( he actually worked on the car in Indy in 67). Dick Brannan of 60's ford fame thinks the car was crushed along with some long nose A/FX type Mustangs. He is going to check with the Ford archives this winter and let me know. What a shame if it was...Geoff
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posted 12-03-2002 05:02 PM
If it's indeed the same car they sure did a lot of work on it between owners. 
One has a roll cage, the other does not for one thing. ------------------
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posted 12-04-2002 02:45 AM
the roll cage is only in the later pictures... this pales in comparison to shots of the Dyno Don or Hayden Proffitt Comets in 65...those cars changed almost every race! Drastically too.The car ran in the 3400lb class usually...that'd be a good 200lbs more than it normally weighed. Some of the 65 AFX cars ran in a 2400lb class, very seriously gutted.
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posted 12-04-2002 12:12 PM
I'm pretty sure it's two different cars. ------------------
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posted 12-04-2002 02:37 PM
Alex,I used a strong magnifying glass looking at the droke version of the fairlane and you can see the side of the roll bar under the first number 3 in the rear window. I beleive both cars only had 4 point bars maybe 6. I am awaiting better pictures from Larry Davis and Dick Brannan. Droke told me that Harvey lobbied hard to get that car first in 65 but Droke got it. Harvey got the Galaxie from Ford..The Quiet One 427 SOHC. When the car became available after Droke( Started racing Mustangs for Ford) Harvey received it next. Thats the story from both Droke and Harvey. As far as other changes I'm sure there were a few. The parachute for one. Hey its been almost 40 years. memories fade but that is the story I've been told...Geoff
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posted 12-06-2002 03:18 AM
WOW! this is more exciting than watching the rockford files! seriously, this is pretty cool(all the sluething)just goes to show you that sometimes this internet can be useful, as opposed to looking at naughty pics and e-mailing dirty jokes!ron
64 fairlane(one of 42,733 )
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posted 12-06-2002 07:32 AM
Ron, So far its been a lot of fun searching around for the info on the fairlane. I chatted with some amazing people along the way, many of which were involved with the car from the start. I just received a photo of the car( Jerry Harvey) racing a Willys in 66 or 67. The shot was from the front. It looks like the front bumper might have been raised a bit like the 64 T-Bolts and there are No headlights,probably just ducting into the air cleaner. I do NOT have a shot of the Droke version from the front. Anybody know how to get one??? I'm on the hunt for some shots as we speak. Yes the internet is great but C'mon Ron Rockford drove a crappy old Firebird at least Starsky drove a FORD (LOL)..Geoff
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posted 12-06-2002 08:44 PM
hey, at least they drove domestics, not like that "magnum" guy! ps: mannix drove a '73 convertable 'stang,and maxwell smart drove a tigerrrr, way cool.little trivia for you all.. in one episode of maxwell smart "chief"(his boss)drives away in a brand new 68 GT500KR! wow.I guess product placement has its perks ron
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posted 12-08-2002 04:18 PM
Maxwell Smarts's car was NOt a Tiger. It was just an Alpine with a 4 cyl. Sorry ------------------
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posted 12-08-2002 04:24 PM
Mannix never drove a Mustang. He had mopar convertibles, then he switched to Camaros.------------------
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posted 12-09-2002 12:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Mannix never drove a Mustang. He had mopar convertibles, then he switched to Camaros.
I always just assumed that smarts car was a tiger because the show's cars were supplied by ford.as for the mannix thing,i have an old ford/mustang magazine(somewhere)that had a big to-do about finding mannix's lost mustang conv(wow! )it was like a '73.lets here it for dirty harry callahan and the big old beater plymouth! ron
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posted 12-09-2002 04:30 PM
Mannix actually started out with a customized 66 or 67 Toronado that was uglier than sin. ------------------
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Hmmm, no mention of any Mustang on this web site:http://www.jmannix.net/cars.htm ------------------
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posted 12-10-2002 03:15 AM
gotta love the internet...even if it proves me wrong!mmmm this crow tastes like chicken.ron ps:i got a real question..my fairlanes rear springs are in a box with a rubber "liner" ,i'm assuming this was for ride quality and i'll also assume that i should get rid of the rubber and box for better launches,am i correct.is there any particular other way of setting up the rear to hook better(while still being street-legal)?i do have "slapper" bars already.would welding the slappers to the spring-pad be better than just bolting the works togeather?
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posted 12-10-2002 01:13 PM
Mannix------------------
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Alex, It would seem your half right. There were 2 Fairlanes produced in 65 for Drag Development. I now have the serial numbers and verification from a Ford memo dated 1/29/65. As I said earlier the Droke car and Harvey car were one and the same. Droke had it in 65. It was first made with a 427 pushrod engine but a 427SOHC was installed in early spring 65.Harvey used it in 66 ( 427 SOHC ) The other car did NOT have the 427 SOHC. There was a shortage at the time of these engines. The second 65 Fairlane went to Performance Associates in Covina California and driven or owned by Les Ritchey. Its unknown what happened to that car. HHMMM sounds familiar..Here we go again!!!! I have both serial numbers and can verify the 2 real ones. I saw the post from the guy that said he found a 65 on the wrong end of town. If he E's me maybe I can tell him if its real or not. I know he said he sold it but maybe he kept the serial number. I also have a list of cars and serial numbers and what Ford was doing with them at the time..1 63 Fairlane 3 64 galaxies..10 65 Galaxies 2 65 fairlanes and 8 65 Mustangs..Very Very Interesting stuff...Geoff
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Interesting stuff indeed!Thanks Geoff. So there were two, nobody has ever seen Les Ritcheys... i'll ask around amongst the old timers i know.
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Just got some interesting E mails. It would seem that Les Ritchey did have a 65 fairlane that was Drag raced. I'm told it had a 390 in it not a cammer. Could this have been a test mule for the 66 390 car by Ford?? I'm going to check with some former Ford folks and see if I can jog a memory or two. Anybody out there rememeber him or the car?...Geoff
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Just received a picture of the 65 Fairlane. It was owned by Les Ritchey and Ron Scott. It has Performance Associates on the side of the car which was Les Ritchets shop in W. Covins California. It was driven by Ron Root ( LA Policeman at the time ) in D/SA and ran a 14.49 at 91.28. It wasa a 390 330HP car. The 390 did not come out in a Fairlane until 66 so this indeed might have been a Ford Test car. For those that don't know Les Ritchey was one of the original 64 T-Bolt owner and drivers and was killed in a racing accident in 66.
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I had heard of Ron Root and a D/SA 65... of course it never clicked that a 289 wouldn't have been in D in a Fairlane... hmmmmmm.
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I received an E mail stating that they thought Ron Roots 65 was a 289/271HP C-4 car. They thought that the old National Dragster photo was incorrect stating it was a 390. Anybody know what class the car would have been in in 1965. Its listed as D/SA. Would that be a small block or a big block. The more I think about it, I would think small block since a 390 was not offered in the 65 Fairlane.????? Help!...Geoff
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I would agree it's gotta be a 289" to git a 390" inthere you would have to cut shock towers and don't think they would buy that in stock elimater
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I know for sure that the 63 289 HP Fairlanes were classified in D/S. Without knowing the actual shipping weight of the 65's with an automatic I cannot calculate the class it should have been in. I suspect that it should have been in E/SA or F/SA as 65's should be a bit heavier.
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Here is the photo of the 65 fairlane as it appeared in April 65 National Dragster. I know its hard to see but any thoughts or comments would be appreciated...Geoff
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Sorry guys, had trouble with the attachment. Alex I e mailed the photo to you instead
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so were is the picture???I remember seing these 65's when they were new almost bough a 647 Uncle Sam didn't pay enough, and thinking this 65 is Ugly compaired to 64, the only one I realy ever liked was "Darrel's". Though lately I been seeing them with different eyes I guess there looking better!!!!
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Sorry guys again. According to my sent file it was sent to Alex. I sent it again today to him . Hope I got the e address [email protected] ??
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I can ask Tim Marshall if he has an engine picture!I doubt it's a 390, no obvious headers hanging down... besides they'd have had to produce enough cars to make it legal.
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Ford and T-Bolt expert Rick Kirk E mailed me to say that Les's car was a 289 Hi_Po 271 HP car. Approx 100 of these cars were made in 65, which nmakes one rare ride!
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Only 100 65 HiPo Fairlanes? I've seen several in the Seattle area. Or is that maybe 100 of the 271hp/automatic Fairlane 500 hardtops?[This message has been edited by TomP (edited 03-23-2003).]
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According to Woody of Woodys fairlane site www.woodyg.com/fairlane less then 100 " K " code Fairlanes were made. Go to the site , go to tech pages and take a look at a nice example......Geoff
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The caption under the photo is obviously wrong. When they did introduce the 390 Fairlane in 1966, it was rated at 335 HP and was classified for C/S or C/SA.------------------
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Alex, It would seem your half right. There were 2 Fairlanes produced in 65 for Drag Development. I now have the serial numbers and verification from a Ford memo dated 1/29/65. As I said earlier the Droke car and Harvey car were one and the same. Droke had it in 65. It was first made with a 427 pushrod engine but a 427SOHC was installed in early spring 65.Harvey used it in 66 ( 427 SOHC ) The other car did NOT have the 427 SOHC. There was a shortage at the time of these engines. The second 65 Fairlane went to Performance Associates in Covina California and driven or owned by Les Ritchey. Its unknown what happened to that car. HHMMM sounds familiar..Here we go again!!!! I have both serial numbers and can verify the 2 real ones. I saw the post from the guy that said he found a 65 on the wrong end of town. If he E's me maybe I can tell him if its real or not. I know he said he sold it but maybe he kept the serial number. I also have a list of cars and serial numbers and what Ford was doing with them at the time..1 63 Fairlane 3 64 galaxies..10 65 Galaxies 2 65 fairlanes and 8 65 Mustangs..Very Very Interesting stuff...Geoff
Hey Gang, my first post here! I just stumbled across this very cool site tonight. The 65 SOHC Fairlane deal really caught my eye. I am a major 60's Ford Drag Racing fanatic, and I'm working a little site devoted to Ford's dragstrip warriors. Right now I'm focusing on the (my obsession!) 65 SOHC A/FX Mustangs, and the 69-70 Drag Team, but plan to include all things Ford drag racing, and Ford racing in general. Geoff, I'll love to get ahold a copy of that list of factory drag cars you mentioned. Do you have any specifics on what happened to Les Ritchey? Thanx, Ron
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Les Ritchey was killed in a racing accident back in the 60's. His son still runs Performace Assoc. in Calif. today. I e mailed him about the Fairlane but did not get a return.As far as the serial numbers are concerned you and more then a few others would like to have them. The problem is there are a few people out there that would use them to FAKE cars. Not saying you would but the gent I got them from told me to be VERY careful with them, so for now I am not putting them out. If someone has a car that they think might have been on this list E me and I will see. I have 22 cars on the list. 3 Fairlanes, 13 Galaxie's and 6 Mustangs. Not all were raced. Some were used for engine evaluations etc. Geoff
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Trying to locate a Harry Schmidt of Ubly Drag Strip in Michigan. He was the owner or promoter in the 60's and 70's( I Think )...Thanks...Geoff
Geoff, here's more Ubly Dragway info if you are interested, there's a couple of cool 1960's vintage shots..... http://www.ublydragway.com/ublyhome.htm My buddy Gary does this site...... http://www.waterwinterwonderland.com/dragstrips.asp Curious, how do I post pics on here?...I have tons!.....Ron ------------------
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Ron, Go to www.dickbrannan.com and take a look at The Ford drag racing team!!!! Dick is selling a CD of all the cars and info from that time period
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Alex, The list contains not just Fairlanes but Galaxies and Mustangs, including 3 that had independent rear suspensions. You may not beleive it but some people would Fake cars since some old race cars etc are in the 6 digit range up for sale. Originality seems to be very important to a lot of people when restoring or buying cars. If I had a 64 Fairlane and made it into a T-Bolt using a fake vin or serial number you might be pissed when you found out it was a fake. I know of one guy who purchased a 1969 Camaro thining it was a COPO car and found out he had been misled by fake numbers. Perhaps shame on him but it shows what some people are willing to do to make a buck...Geoff
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Hey Geoff, Thanks for the heads up on dickbrannan.com!!!!! Way cool, I just ordered the cd and a Bronco Mustang tee shirt, can't wait to get 'em!...Ron ------------------
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TomP Did you ever get a hold of Tim Marshall about the Les Ritchey car. I thought you were going to see if he had a photo of the engine bay and if he rememebered anything about the car????...Geoff
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Yes i did, Tim had a house fire a few years ago which destroyed all his older pix, he didn't recall the cars engine though. I's say 289 HiPo sounds more logical, they would have had to produce the 390 Fairlane in some numbers to get it leagalized for Stock, even at the first race of the year.
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I got an E mail from a guy in Phoenix Arizonia stating there was a member of the Arizonia Fairlane club who has a 65 T-Bolt car. He said it was all glass from the windshield out. I'm trying to get some nunbers, but wanted to know if any of you guys are from that area and might know the car. It sounds like a home built car to me...Geoff
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Here's more fuel for the fire!!! I believe that one of the 65's your discussing belongs to ex Winston West driver Toby Butler. I remember seeing the car (crumpled) in his shop in 1992 before he sold and left to drive/work for Kenny Shrader. It had SOHC motor in it and he was dicussing with Jim Green what to do with the motor. I'll call Jim and ask him and post what he says!!
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Wow!!! Let us know ASAP. There seems to be a lot of mystery surrounding the 65 Bolt.
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I talked with Jim Green (Green Elephant) last night. He said he believes the car was in fact a real one. He has the motor along with about 20 other SOHC's sitting in the wherehouse. He said he would give me #'s asap.. He stated the motor was an early 65????. The car ???? More info as I get it...------------------
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If talked with Jim Green many times at his shop in everett and at SIR he knows his cammers I like his red 427sohc liftup body coupe on nice ride.. Bruce Williams
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Just to let everyone know the car turns out to be a shop built car, not a real T- Bolt. Built by Craig McMaster in Seattle for a guy named Knutsen.The car was rolled street racing and Jim Green got the Cammer out of it. Nobody knows what happened to the body at this time...........Geoff
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Wow, keep up the research!
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BTW Drokes runs at Fontana were with a 427 SOHC Hillborn injected on Alcohol. Bill Holbrook told be the car was a beast and very very quick
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I just received two NEW photos of Darrell Drokes car on the Drag Strip, leaving the line. They are in Black and white but nice shots . How and where do I forward them to ( What E mail address) to post here on this thread. Thanks.Geoff
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Very good shots Geoff.
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I'd say it's Beeline...
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=2&s=13&x=268&y=2318&z=12&w=2
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