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MLariviere
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posted 12-06-1999 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today I picked up a '72 Gran Torino Sport. It has in it:
351 CJ {Q}
Wide ratio 4 speed {5}
3.50:1 9" {A} with a nodular case
ps/pdb
black vinyl buckets
It had the 4V exhaust manifolds and origional motorcraft carb{D2ZF AA}. The car is complete except for the battery and exhaust and radio.
Price: 0! 35.00 to tow it home. She's rotted to hell, the motor is stuck but there's lots of good parts. It has a rear sway bar,a pistol grip shifter from a cuda,tach and a chain link steering wheel!LOL It has 3 Crusty Cragar s/s's and one d**** magnum wheel on it that he wants back in the worst way.
I'm gonna wait till spring to decide what to do with it. While it was on the wheel lift I got a good look underneath and saw all. The left control arm on the rear end rotted at the torque box and is completely separated. This dooms the car right there. Almost all of the body is swiss cheese. TOO BAD. He says it was running when he parked it and he did so because it used too much gas. It sat buried in a wood pile for 10+ years and when I first found it the tires were flat,sitting the floors right in the mud.
One minute I thank Ray for giving me the car,and the next I want to hit him in the forehead with the heel of my left hand an ask ,"WHAT THE [email protected]#$ WERE YOU THINKING!"

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posted 12-06-1999 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good buy!

I just saw it. Looks like it's ready for partin'. But geez! Talk about good hardware!

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posted 12-06-1999 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Mike you did better than Jason and I..

Fellow at work had a 67 Coupe..289 dopped in a T code body..wanted 2400 few months ago..then 2000 the 1800 see where this is going. ...anyway last week he asked if I wanted it for 800..told him we we'er looking for a good rolling chassis for the 68 as it had rotten frame rails..go check it out under the car it's great no rust...said tranny was sour..Auto..motor 289 with Performer 289 intake and E-brock 4bbl...Deluxe interior (fair shape)..full console..remote mirrors..ect...gave it a day to let son think it over..son said 600 dad..YEP! 600 took it..needs some work but good buy for price..

Jason drove it home last night
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MLariviere
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posted 12-06-1999 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray says the car could put down two pole lengths of rubber in it's day. I believe him. Hopefully it's heart will live again someday. Possibly in a 67/68 coupe!


BTW, the gvwr on the car is 5200#! LOL! My F-150 is 6250#!

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posted 12-06-1999 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about another '70 Torino GT?

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posted 12-06-1999 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I could find one cheap {or reasonable}. Everywhere I look they're $7500 and up. We saw one last week in York,Me. that was a conv in excellent cond for $14,500! It was showroom new,though. You have to see it, Steve,it's just past Starkey Ford on the right.It's blue with a white top,white int and a blue laser stripe!

I wonder how difficult it would be to locate another frame!


I also have a few more questions. Since it's a CJ, is it a four bolt main block? How can I tell what spline count axles I have without dissassembly? It has an "N" case for sure,I saw the big n cast in the pig. Which trans is better,close or wide ratio? What's the difference?{ 2nd and 3rd gear spread I presume}This is a "toploader" trans,right?

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posted 12-07-1999 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All you need to do is find a '72-'73 Torino/Montego. Maybe even the '74-'76 would work, but I don't think so. Frames are not that hard to swap, really.

Yes, the '71-'73 Q-code 351 CJs are 4 bolt main.

If you can give me the info on the rear end tag {at the 1 o'clock position on the pig} I can tell you 28 or 31 spline. I'm pretty sure you have 31.

The close ratio is considered better, because
less of an rpm drop between shifts keeps you in your power band better. Yes, it's a Toploader.

How did you get the codes? I noticed the driver's door has been changed.

That vin number is worth money, little brother.

Just how bad are the floors and underneath, anyway? I know you said the frame was toast.

I like the original color. Dark blue, right?

That would be a pretty car after $10,000.

Remember, alot of restorations start after an initial purchase of $1000-5000. You are already that much ahead.

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posted 12-07-1999 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, the '70-'72 351 Clevelands are the best of the Clevelands, and the Cobra Jets are the best of the best!

But you knew that already, didn't you?

Are you sure the engine is original?

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posted 12-08-1999 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, the engine is at least has 4 barrel heads. The warranty tag is near the striker, not on the door. As for the rear end:I pulled it off in haste and have this:
EC-V 2BD
3.50-9-871A

I thought of a frame swap. In fact there is a 78 LTD II in Biddeford for 400.00 that's running. I think I'd need a 72 because 73-on they had the mandated 5mph bumpers, so the ends are different.{I don't want a hacked up frame} The body is salvagable, with the worst rust on the left side. To do it right I'd have to take it completely apart. Not hard,just tedious. This may be the only way to get a car like this, though. I'll give it some thought. I don't like the idea of throwing the car out.
Where are the no's on the engine so I can be sure it's a CJ?
What other parts did the CJ have that were special?

Origional color was dark green metallic. It was meant to be!

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posted 12-09-1999 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forget about the 78 LTD II. Totally different animal. I'm quite sure you'll need a '72-'73.

'74 was the year they got the big bumpers.

You should send that Ford salvage yard up north a call or e-mail. I'll find the number.

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For your axle;

EC-V 2BD
3.50-9-871A

You're missing the 'W'
You must of torn the tag off. {Hasty, hasty}

Your axle is the;

WEC-V;
It's an open rear. It's heavy duty, it has the 4 pinion differential, but not a limited slip. If it was limited slip, there would be an 'L' in the gear ratio, such as 3L50.

2BD;
It was built the fourth week of February of '72.

3.50-9-871A;

3.50 ratio, 9 inch, 871A is the plant code.

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The casting number aren't easy to see when the engine is in a car -- it's above the starter. The code for this motor would be D2AE-CA.

The '72 CJ had 266 hp @ 5400, torque was 301 lbs/ft at 3600.

The pistons are cast flat tops.

Compression ratio was 9.0:1, because it has the open chamber heads. {Guess I was wrong about it being the best of the best. I thought it had the quench heads.} The rocker arms are different, stamped high strength. The valves are not adjustable. The CJ had induction hardened exhaust valve seats.

The cam is hydraulic, .480"/.488" lift, 270/290 duration, overlap 46 degrees. Pretty stout!

The carb is the 4300-D spread bore Autolite.

The distributor is a dual point, dual diaphram unit.

Hmmm, did I leave anything out?

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MLariviere
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posted 12-09-1999 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Steve! I have that junkyard's #.

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posted 12-10-1999 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe put an ad in the Uncle Henry's looking for a '72-'73 Torino/Falcon 2 door. {Has to be a 2 door}

For those of you wondering what I'm talking about, Uncle Henry's is a local parts swapping booklet in our area.

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posted 03-25-2000 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, I took a look at your Torino today. You weren't kidding, that puppy is in sad shape.

Maybe the solution is to cut the roof and upper quarters, and graft them onto the Torino I just bought, then pluck your Torino clean. Then find a Gran Torino nose, and you'll have a Gran Torino Sport in every way except numbers.

That would be a job for a pro, without a doubt, probably the same guy {Brian Marcotte -- that guy can do anything} that's turning our friend Tony's IROC into a convertible.

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'72 Mustang Sprint 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac-Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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MLariviere
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posted 03-25-2000 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So,does this mean an even swap is out of the question?

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posted 03-25-2000 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We'll talk.

We could put together a heck of a Torino, between the two of them.

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'72 Torino 351C 2V/C4/2.75 Open
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posted 03-26-2000 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leaning on yours,mostly!

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posted 03-27-2000 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing wrong with that, right?

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'72 Mustang Sprint 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac-Loc
'72 Torino 351C 2V/C4/2.75 Open
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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posted 03-27-2000 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just hate the idea of cutting up a car that much,especially if it doesn't need to be.

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95 F150 XLT 4x4 5.0 A/T {My dreamboat}
91 GMC JIMMY 4dr 4x4{Julie's problem!}
72 Gran torino Sport Q code 4 speed 3.50:1 N case 9"
{Steve's new parts car!} LOL

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posted 04-01-2000 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a great day. Mike and I began the autopsy on his Torino, and the weather was beautiful!

I feel bad about picking at your car, Mike, but I sure appreciate the parts you are donating for the new Ford in the family!

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posted 04-01-2000 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome,Steve! You can have any parts you want. When you look through the rust hole in the roof and see pavement through the rust holes in the floor, it's time to part it out! Truly a shame, but I could locate another FB for ~$5000 in good running cond. Make a list of what you want,and I'll pull it,or cut it off!

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91 GMC JIMMY 4dr 4x4{Julie's problem!}
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posted 04-16-2000 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I managed to pull out the engine and trans on Friday. The block is a D2AE-CA, while the trans is RUG BG1. I plan to pull it apart this week to see what it looks like internally.

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posted 04-20-2000 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally took it apart today. It does have 4-bolt mains {all 5!} and D1ZE open chamber heads. The oil pan has a baffle in the back. The block looks ok,#3 is the worst cylinder. The rod bearing I pulled off looked ok,but the rear main was down to the brass. The crank didn't look bad though. I'd say a good cleaning,a .030 overbore and a polish on the crank would be good.
It looks as though the lifters bled down because there was only one or two valves in the lift position when I backed off the rocker arms. I think the pan is junk because it is dented and the drain plug is stripped out,with a self tapping plug kit in it.The water pump looks new on the inside!

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posted 04-22-2000 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds good, Mike. That's a great block. That oil pan is the same one the Boss 351 used. Too bad it's ruined.

So, do we have a deal?

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posted 04-23-2000 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds good to me! I may have someone interested in the rear end at work for $450.00!

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posted 04-24-2000 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's cool. Remember, I still have some 3.50 gears under my bench if you want them.

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posted 05-17-2000 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Torinobros     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Mike ,
Thanx for the invite ! Looks like a Real KOOL site ! I checked out the pics of yer 4 spd car - Damn , what a shame ! And I thought mine wuz in bad shape .
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posted 05-17-2000 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey welcome Dan !

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64 Fairlane T-Boltish thing 427 HR 4speed
and another 64 the same but 428 4spd
53 F350 ramptruck 428 4spd
88 Ranger 5.0 5speed
'bout half of a 67 Mustang FB was a 390 :-(

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posted 05-17-2000 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See Dan,we Mainahs rust em out hard! Glad to see you came by! I will be reading it it's last rites pretty soon. Lotsa good parts though!

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Hey , thanx Tom !

Mike , I didn't actually believe it wuz possible for a car to get THAT baddly rusted out ! Give her a pat goodbye for me .
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posted 05-18-2000 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Dan!

Yeah, a car can rust pretty bad if you sit it in mud and cover it with wood, for a few years...

Can you tell the previous owner was a mopar guy?

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Thanx Steve !
Figured he wuzn't a "real" Ford guy , because of the CHAIN steering wheel ! Think maybe it might be KOOL on my 72 4spd car , then it could keep the spirit of Mike's
alive ! LOL !

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posted 05-18-2000 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Want it? I'm still taking bids! LOL Look for it on Ebay soon! LOLLOLOL!

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OH HELL yeah ! Just don't make the reserve
TOO HIGH !!! LMAO !

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'72 Gran Torino Sport/429/C6/2.75 Trac-Lok
'72 Gran Torino Sport/351C-CJ/4spd/3.25 Trac-Lok
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just a ? but doesn't the rarity of a Q code torino make it worth the effort? i could understand if it was a ordinary car, but with some of the stangs and even brand x's that i've seen rebuilt. remember what part of the country i'm from, around here it seems rust is standard equipment.
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