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charlescfp
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posted 06-30-2002 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have had no success finding headers for a '72 Maverick 302 with a manual (toploader) transmission. The clutch linkage is the problem. I thought I had it made when Hooker responded that their application guide showed that I needed Hooker # 6110 Super Comp headers and a P/S bracket... They don't! Their guide must be wrong. The instructions that come with the headers indicates they are NOT for manual tranny.

The headers I removed were modified and in the '70s and are getting holes in them and I no longer have the stock exhaust manifolds. To make matters worse, I have a very short amount of time to try and solve this.

Any/all help or suggestions are greatly, greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance -

Fred

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-30-2002 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at Charlie's web site http://www.geocities.com/cping3/stickshift.html to see if he had anything about this, but I didn't see anything.

I know he must run a set of headers on his 302 Maverick.

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cpmaverick
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posted 07-01-2002 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fred has contacted me about this, and I do not know of any brands guaranteed to work In fact I recommended the Hookers he has now because I was told that they worked. They don't. My headers are a no-name brand and I bought them used off a Mustang, so I can't help there.

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charlescfp
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posted 07-02-2002 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the response... Not my preference but I am going to try some "shorty" headers for a Mustang from Sanderson Headers. I'll let you know how it comes out.

As an afterthought, do you have experience with a clutch "cable" conversion for the Maverick? If so, what would you suggest? Any detail you could provide would be helpful. I've seen a couple different "upgrade" setups for the newer Mustangs. Is that a good place to start?

Thanks again - Fred

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posted 07-06-2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That may be a good way to go, Fred. That would give you your collector clearance and let you use the better headers.

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posted 07-10-2002 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I doubt a cable would clear the tubes... they all swing inward to clear the pitman arm...right in front of where the cable needs to be.

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Dan Starnes
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posted 10-28-2002 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Starnes   Click Here to Email Dan Starnes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Hooker Super Comps on my Mav. I am running a toploader 4spd with stock clutch linkage modified ONLY for strength purposes. I called Jegs tech and they told me which Hookers to use. Mine fit great!! No additional bending of anything. By the way, this is the 3rd set of headers on my car. One note I must make, my toploader is a rare narrow pattern trans used in the comets and stuff in the 63-64 era. Hope this helps.
ps i looked thru my junk and could not find a part number for the headers, sorry
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posted 10-28-2002 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This problem comes up a lot. It's unfortunatly always due to the clutch "Z" bar. Why FoMoCo had to make so many different ones for V-8 small cars I'll never know.

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69maverick
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posted 10-29-2002 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here I sit with clutch and Z-bar in hand and I can't wait to put in my new motor and tranny and this comes up!! UGGGGGGGG!! Maybe this will be resolved before I get that far!!

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charlescfp
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posted 10-31-2002 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan - Thanks for the info... The Super Comps fit really well with the exception, at least in my case, of clearance for the "Z" bar clutch linkage.

Is the stock linkage you are referring the 2-piece "Z" bar? How long ago did you buy the headers? If you could confirm which part number you bought from Jegs it would be extremely helpful.

The toploader I have is also an early (25 spline) model of '64 vintage and I too had to strengthen the linkage as it did not stand up well with a comp pressure plate.

Any additional info would be great. I will send a picture to your email address showing you the difference between the Hooker #6110 and the header (unknown mfg) I had modified to work. I would post it here but not sure if it is possible.

Thanks - Fred

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Dan Starnes
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posted 11-04-2002 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Starnes   Click Here to Email Dan Starnes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The part #6110-1 looks to be the same Header I have in my car. What looks different in your pics you sent is the Z-bar. Mine has been modified from a Ford F-250 vintage 1983. So I now have a combo of parts and everything works great. The clutch is still a bitch to adjust and if take the drivetrain out this year I will document it all via digital pics for info to all. The headers I have used in the past are Cragar Hotpipes, no longer available and Doug Thorleys who is back in biz but not making the same header as before. Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but such is life on the road.
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Dan Starnes
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posted 12-04-2002 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Starnes   Click Here to Email Dan Starnes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I called Jegs. They looked up my history and found that I bought Hooker Part #6901 and that is what is on my 76 Maverick. 302 w/ 4spd toploader and factory z-bar modified only for strength.
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charlescfp
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posted 12-05-2002 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan - Thanks again. It appears that Jeg's may have some insight that Hooker does not. Hooker's application guide indicates that the Comp #6901 is for a variety of older small Fords to include the Maverick but for floor shift automatic only... see ref below.

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/ES/ESHHCH/Comp.html

It was wrong about the Super Comp #6110 I bought which was supposed to work with a manual tranny but didn't. It appears it is wrong about the #6901. I HAVE RENEWED HOPE!

Fred

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69maverick
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posted 05-12-2003 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just ordered a set of hedman #88300 from Summit they say these will work? I will have them in a day or two but its vacation time this weekend so I won't know if they will work for about two weeks!!!!!!!!!!!

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charlescfp
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posted 05-13-2003 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info... I have not had an opportunity to do any more since my Dec 2002 msg. I live overseas and the car is stored in Washington state so it is a summer vacation project. Last summer I did take some pictures of the headers that are on the car that were modified to fit around Z-bar back in the 70's. Comparing the pictures I took of mine with the pictures I found of the Hooker #6901 it SEEMS that they would work. Only way to be sure would be to buy and try. Which I was planning for July this year.

I think the orig headers I had in about '75 when the car still sported an automatic was Hedman... I seem to remember that they also worked, bearly, when I swapped the C4 for the Toploader.

Your results, hopefully positive, would be helpful and greatly appreciated before I buy and try. Please share your experience when you get back from vacation... enjoy.

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Tea'sGrabber
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posted 05-13-2003 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tea'sGrabber   Click Here to Email Tea'sGrabber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fred, The Hooker 6901's will fit....Also Ford Motorsport made a set (Hookers) that were nickel plated that were for Mustangs/Maverick/Fairlanes. etc. The SuperComps have equal tubes versus the unequal one's on the 6901's. Were in Washington do you live??? If you really run into trouble let me know. I have a friend who can build you a set.He's a maverick guy also.He runs a 351W with a Jerico 4spd and his headers fit perfect.

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falcon64
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posted 05-13-2003 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for falcon64   Click Here to Email falcon64     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found a set of tri-y headers here for my 4 speed equipped '64 falcon, but be warned they are pricey!

http://www.dougsheaders.com/default.cfmc

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charlescfp
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posted 05-14-2003 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The prospects are looking better all the time? I went thru this a year ago before vacation and ended up buying the Hooker SuperComps (#6110) on Hooker?s recommendation. You?re right, the advantage is that they are equal length and they fit great assuming you didn?t want to hook up the clutch linkage.

Sounds like the Hooker 6901s are the way to go. They have to be better than the 24 year old headers on the car now. Do you have any more info on the Motorsport headers?

I may take you up on your offer and contact you this coming July. I spend 4-5 weeks a year on Camano Island about an hour north of Seattle. That?s where my Maverick is stored. You can email me directly @ [email protected]

You may be interested in a little background on my car. It is a 72 Grabber that I have owned since new. All performance modifications were done in the 70?s with what was suggested at the time. It is a 306 cu in with 351W heads with screw-in studs & guides, steel crank, perf rods, perf hyd cam, Edelbrock Torker intake, 650 cfm Holley, antique Accel dual point distributor, 2.78 toploader, and ?58 Ford wagon 9? rearend.

I?ll take a look at Doug?s again although I had previously called them directly with no luck, but I?ll readdress it ? Thanks

Thanks to all for your help and suggestions?

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posted 05-14-2003 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tea'sGrabber   Click Here to Email Tea'sGrabber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya I'd go with the 6901's... The Motorsport ones were discontinued about 5 years back...I believe all they were was nickle plated 6901's.... Camano Island..... I live in Lynnwood... Got luck..... What color is your car??

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posted 05-15-2003 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to order the 6901's so they will be there in early July. My car originally was yellow with orange main strip and hood and rear panel decal with red pin strip. Don't remember seeing many that color. It is now still yellow but a brighter 70's Corvette yellow with no strip. after the Texas sun took care of the strips, especially the hood, I had it painted. That was in the late 70's. I stored the car with a friend in Gig Harbor for 2 years that turned into 18. I just got it back last summer. The car is pretty much exactly as it was then. Back then it ran in the 12's in El Paso.

If you are interested in swapping lies this July, drop me your contact info to my e-mail.

Thanks again

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posted 06-28-2003 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todmeg   Click Here to Email todmeg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
while we are on the subject of headers, which headers will fit my 1970 302 with manual steering? manufacturer and odel number if you guys can remember. thanks

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69maverick
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posted 08-25-2003 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I got my hookers today what a SOB this is going to be! I had to lift the motor to get the header in on the driver side now to get the Z-bar back in is out of control!!

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posted 08-25-2003 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott do you want to buy a set of hedmans new for 100.00 bucks? they will work fine with a C-4 After I did a little adjusting they fit fine!

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posted 08-26-2003 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlescfp   Click Here to Email charlescfp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick note... I installed the Hooker 6901 on my '72 302 4-speed w/PS last month. As I think I mentioned, application guide said they would not fit this application with std tranny. Well, the passenger side fit fantastic, as it should and the driver side fit with just a little patience. As expected had to lift engine off motor mount and was able to work the z-bar around the header. I did have to just slightly dent the last pipe where it would clear the upper part of the z-bar. And of course had to use the bracket to drop the PS actuator down. Other than that they clear everything better than any I've seen. I'm extremely satisfied... finally.

One thing I discovered several yrs ago that seems to be a big help is cutting and a large enough retangle access hole in the inner driver side fender so you can remove the outer z-bar pivot very easily... Not pretty but makes life easier.

As a side note, I did see a Mustange with Tri-Y headers that drop straight down. Seems like they should work on a Maverick and not come close to the Z-bar.

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I tried a set of Tri-Ys last week a friend let me try out. they didn't work! These will but I will have to take my time with them.

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posted 08-28-2003 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I did get it in there and they will work ! ya ho! There is a few steps that you need to follow! One thing for sure is that it would be alot easier if the tranny and bell was out when you put the headers and z-bar in.

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Well I got the z-bar and the header on the driverside in! The 6901 does fit but man not without alot of SCA-WE-ZIN!! I did have to leave out the rubber spacer that went inbetween the pivit ball on the frame and the Z-Bar or the upper arm hit the header and the pedel wouldn't return to the top! Then to get the gasket in and the bolts was just as much of a pain in the but! If I was to do this again I would put the motor in with no bell on it install the header then the Z-Bar then I would put the tranny in!! I had the bell with the clutch installed on the motor when I dropped it in the car then I stuck the tranny in. then did the rest of the install now I know better!

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posted 09-03-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MAV   Click Here to Email MAV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ASSUME that they don`t make Blackjack headers anymore ...I dont know who if anyone bought them out . But I had a set of Blackjack Alumakote 5000`s (AK-5000) on my`72 Maverick running A Toploader 4 speed behind a 289 in it back in the eighties and they fit just fine. Alex (Moneymaker) might know what became of Blackjack ,and who if anyone took them over ..jpg


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