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MrWesson22
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posted 12-21-2000 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How hard is this swap? Are there any shock tower modifications involved? I'm toying with some future drag cars ideas, and a stroked windsor pushing about 450hp/500tq on motor with a big shot of nitrous in this light car sounds just NIIIIICE!!!! Headers available for the combo?? Sorry for all the questions.. I appreciate any and all advice.

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Just Jim
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posted 12-22-2000 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neal,
Not any more involved putting a 351W in an early Falcon than putting a V8 in a 6 banger early Mustang.I used tubular automotive swap headers when I put the 351 in my '62 about 10 years ago.Most headers for a 351W into an early Mustang will work.No need to notch the shock towers,just use early Mustang or Falcon V8 frame and engine mounts and it bolts right in.The biggest problem you will have is getting traction,not a lot of tire room on these cars.

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cpmaverick
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posted 12-22-2000 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a killer combo!!!!

Like Jim said traction would be your biggest problem. Using a Maverick would allow you to get much bigger tires but the shock towers are a tighter fit so its a tradeoff.

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MrWesson22
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posted 12-22-2000 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking of a tubbed drag car with a narrowed 9" and either a toploader (probably) or a jericho if I need it (hopefully not). Would there be any reason on these cars (I'm not extremely familiar with them) that I couldn't tub it and fit a 12.5" wide slick? Any idea ballpark what this combo would weigh? I'll basically keep the full interior, though the rear seat will come out when the cage is installed since it will be basically useless anyway. I'm just looking for a near-the-ballpark estimate on weight, I know it depends on a lot of different things.

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Just Jim
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posted 12-23-2000 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 351W '62 Futura weighs 3050 with-out me in it.All the weight adds up:full interior,9 inch rear,radio,heater,Granada discs,C4,mufflers,etc.

PhatFalcon has a tubbed '60.Check it out in the readers ride section.It's a nice car.

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MrWesson22
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posted 12-26-2000 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate the info, Jim (and others). What kind of times are you running in the falcon and what kind of power is your windsor pushing? I was thinking low 9s with around 450hp on motor and a 250 shot of nitrous should be realistic. 700 hp, 3000 lbs... still sounds mighty nice... assuming I could get it to hook on drag suspension and some big ET Streets.

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Just Jim
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posted 12-26-2000 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might get low 10's out of that set up,but it depends if it hooks up.The best my car has run is 12.23/110MPH on ET Streets thru the mufflers.It's a 9.5 to 1 motor with a 'girlieman' hydraulic cam a 750 3310 Holley and 4.11's.I have no idea on the HP,but it might be around 350.I don't really want to put a roll bar in there or I'd hop up the motor a little more and then end up with that traction problem again.

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MrWesson22
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posted 12-26-2000 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just low 10s? I have a good friend with a best e/t of [email protected] with an 88 gt with a 350hp 306 on a 150 shot of n2o and a race weight of just over 3200lbs. I was thinking with 200hp more and 200lbs less (I know the weight is only ~.2 sec), I ought to be over a second faster. And he has the mph to run .2-.3 sec faster as well... I guess traction/60ft plays a HUGE factor..

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cpmaverick
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posted 12-27-2000 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
I guess traction/60ft plays a HUGE factor..

BINGO!

I have a high 12 motor and car but without slicks and some great weight transfer I'm gonna be seeing high 13s. -CP

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MrWesson22
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posted 12-27-2000 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've always heard .1 in the 60ft is worth .2 in the 1/4. I'm planning on maybe 28x12.50 ET Streets and full drag suspension. Carrying the front tires about a foot off the ground through first gear would be nice. I think I can get down to a 60ft in the 1.4x range with this general combo, some work, and more driving skill than I have right now (not much).

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PhatFalcon
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posted 01-11-2001 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhatFalcon   Click Here to Email PhatFalcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
Yeah, I've always heard .1 in the 60ft is worth .2 in the 1/4. I'm planning on maybe 28x12.50 ET Streets and full drag suspension. Carrying the front tires about a foot off the ground through first gear would be nice. I think I can get down to a 60ft in the 1.4x range with this general combo, some work, and more driving skill than I have right now (not much).


Hi folks! Just thought I'd jump in here and give you my opinion. I'm running 21.5W x 33 tall tires on the PhatFalcon and I can guarantee you I have enough traction. A 4.56 gear with Motorsports Positraction helps it go too. This car is tubbed(duh!) with a tube chassis, half cage and ladder bar suspension. It's got steel sheet welded in because I wanted to put a custom interior in(I want to be comfortable!) and insulation rather than go the pop-riveted aluminum sheet route. Although I have a 302 in it now, I'm still pushing 2700 pounds. I didn't get to the track last year, but we'll fix that this summer. I'm looking for high 12's at best with my setup. I'm tempted to put it on the bottle, but I'm not a NOS kind of guy. I may go with a stroker kit for a 347 and a good set of heads so it can breathe at the top end better. Of course, I could always win the lottery and get that 514 crate motor I've been drooling over at the Ford dealer! Draem on.

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MrWesson22
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posted 01-22-2001 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phatfalcon,
You'll have to post some times when you get to the track - I'd definately be interested! In the last few weeks, I've kind of decided if I'm going drag car, I might as well go DRAG CAR and shoot for about 550hp on motor (race gas, of course) with about 350-400hp on juice and some high 8 second ets.

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profalcon
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posted 02-13-2001 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profalcon   Click Here to Email profalcon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The swap is really easy with the 62-65 the 60-61 are a little more difficult as I was informed and soon found out for myself. The 60 and 61 came with a ford-o-matic 2 spd which is alot smaller then the C-4 which was used behind the V-8. The tunnel and firewall must be modified to put the engine in the correct spot, you could just place the engine farther forward, but then you'll have water pump/radiator and header problems...
Look for a 62 or later!

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cpmaverick
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posted 02-13-2001 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome profalcon!!!!

Excellent tip, thanks for the info.

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tkelly27
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posted 02-13-2003 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tkelly27   Click Here to Email tkelly27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi, this is my first post. I just got my first ford, a month ago. My aunt gave me her old falocn, I think its a '63. I would like to put a 351 in it, if anyone has a site on how to do it, or tips other then "just like doing it in a mustang." (I've never owned a mustang, let alone transfered an engine out of one that would be cool. thanks

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SlowFord
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posted 02-13-2003 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SlowFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Profalcon,
1962-3 Falcon's also came with the ford-o-matic transmission. I have a '63 Falcon Ranchero that came with a 260 V8 and a ford-o-matic 2 speed transmission. I believe the 260 wasn't available in the Falcon until 1963 and the C4 transmission was first offered in 1964.



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