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70 Pony
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posted 10-14-2001 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK!!!! I did it....bought my first "New" Mustang since 1969.....
A 2002, Torch Red GT with a 5 speed.....
Actually could have had a "Black Bullitt", was this close......but have owned 4 Mustangs...all of them red and this car just yelled at me, "Eddie, Buy Me !!" and this will be the perfect set of "Book ends"...the '70 Vermillion "Bright Red Clearcoat" Fastback, and his great great grand son...the '02. Had to add...And those Torque Thrust Wheels sealed it.
I'll admit, I'm lost in the new technology and have a zillion questions.....any answers and/or advice appreciated.
#1. When and how did Ford Tweek the 4.6 to squeeze 260 horses and 302 lbs of torque out of it.
#2. Is it true that all manual GT's built after Feb. 2001 got a beefed up shifter and T-5 which is now called a T-45. I still would like a short throw shifter with the 2nd to 3rd spring. Which is the best...B&M, Pro 5.0, Steeda or ???...and which ones will use the oem boot and knob and easiest to install??
#3. What size throttle bodies are stock ?
#4. What's the best way to add about 40 HP without voiding the warranty? I was thinking of a "Cold Air Induction" kit, a "Chip", & little larger Throttle body. If this sounds logical which ones do you recommend ??
#5. I would like a little "Throatier" exhaust note. Nothing obscene like my '70. Just a little more "muscular" tone that won't affect the inside compartment quiet.
Borla, Flowmaster "Delta Flow" or their 70 series ??, any other suggestions ???
#6. What Muffs are stock on the Cobra ??
OK...I'll leave it at 6 ???'s for now the other 999,994 to follow...
Thanks in advance....

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EDDIE D
Resto Mod '70 Sport Roof
Arrest Me Red

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IIGood
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posted 10-14-2001 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IIGood   Click Here to Email IIGood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats Eddie!! Let's see some pics, huh? Actually, I can have a good idea of what your's looks like...there's a guy up the street that has an '01 Performance Red (same as Torch Red) GT with the Premium Wheels (Torq Thrusts)...sharp lookin' ride. Almost looks like my '99, but mine is Rio Red and isn't a GT. And yes, those wheels ROCK!!!

I can't say I know much about the GTs as I haven't owned one (YET!!! ) but I might be able to help a little...

1. I believe the intake is different from the first 4.6's, maybe even a larger TB...not certain though.
2. Yep, quite sure all the GTs now can have the T45 tranny.
3. Dunno...60mm maybe??
4. Warranty...that's a hairy situation. I've heard it can only really be voided if the component is an actual CAUSE of the breakdown. They just won't cover the repair...but just having the part on there really shouldn't void the warranty. Anyway, Cold Air Induction, larger TB, maybe some underdrive pulleys, and exhaust are usually the basic upgrades folks do to squeeze out some more HP. Computer chip...I've heard it's best to have one custom-burned to your car's setup...thus costing $$$.
5. Borla and Flowmaster are the most popular exhaust systems out there. I believe Borla have the nice throaty tone that won't hurt the inside compartment quietness.
6. Don't know.

I'm sure other folks can fill in and add to what I've mentioned, mayhaps even correcting some of my possible errors.

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Frank S.----MCA Member 40390
'99 Mustang coupe
'77 Ghia--"II Good"
'76 Cobra--project

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pthornton
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posted 10-14-2001 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pthornton   Click Here to Email pthornton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
#1 Better heads with larger valves.
#2 They switched the T-45 to a Tremec 3550, just like the one in the Cobra. The T-45 was too weak.
#3 65 MM - to go larger hurts performance, kills velocity
#4 Long tube headers and a JMS chip, I got 26 RWHP with these plus the flowmasters
#5 Flowmaster 3-chamber cat-back
#6 ??

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Randy Thornton
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pthornton
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posted 10-14-2001 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pthornton   Click Here to Email pthornton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS. Get a good shifter such as the Steeda tri-ax. The factory shifter is terrible. The tri-ax uses the factory boot and doesn't require cutting the inner boot either.

Cool air kits hurt performance unless you get a MAF calibrated specifically for the cold air kit. These cheap cold air kits are crap.

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Randy Thornton
Boss 302 & Saleen S281

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70 Pony
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posted 10-15-2001 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Frank and Randy.......
Randy...So you think the Chip, headers and muffs are it ? I see so many of these cold air kits, and naturally being an old carburetor (no computer) guy, am always looking for more cold air...but will take your advice and hold on to the $180 or so....
Does this JMS chip outfit have a website ??
And the Tranny on my car is a Tremec ???
I agree about the shifter...pretty "slushy", and long...saw the add for the Steeda Pro Ax and its priced right with the B&M, so I think I'll go that way also (The Steeda I mean)..
Have patience...got a lot more coming...be gentle...I may be 55 but I'm still a cherry.

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EDDIE D
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pthornton
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posted 10-15-2001 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pthornton   Click Here to Email pthornton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.jmschip.com/

I would wait until you have made some upgrades such as exhaust and/or headers before getting a chip. The factory chip is pretty hard to beat. The chip Saleen sells was tested by MM&FF and only got 1 HP extra.

You won't regret the shifter swap.

If you don't want to go all the way with long tube headers, hi-flow h-pipes w/cats can give you ~10 HP gain. BBK makes a good fitting piece.

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Randy Thornton
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70 Pony
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posted 10-15-2001 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again Randy.......sometimes I have to be reigned in....feel like a kid.....I want to keep and use the car as a "Daily Driver" and have to keep reminding myself that one "Radical" pony is enough for an old guy like me....I'll just use this as a "Chick" magnet......
Throaty exhaust note, better shifter, and MAYBE headers should fill the bill for now...
Hell, only have 400 miles on the car and already looking to change things...will I ever learn ??????

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EDDIE D
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Amherst
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posted 10-20-2001 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amherst   Click Here to Email Amherst     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking from experience I would go with a quality cold air kit if you get one. I finally got mine to work (densecharger) but in hind site would have got something different. As pthornton said, the cheap ones are crap (which is what I bought) It works, and it's not like it's a moving part, but with a nice new ride like yours, get something that runs from the throttle body all the way to the fender, including a maf for it. If you take it in for service, It is something that can easily be removed and replaced with the stock one to keep the warranty Nazi's happy!! Oh yeah, show us pics!!

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70 Pony
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posted 10-21-2001 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To Randy or anyone.....Regarding the Flowmasters.....
I see the "50" series 3 chambers come in their usual trim or Flowmasters "New" Delta Flow design...
The Delta Flows are supposed to be a little better...and quieter...
Any experience with these ???
I guess I want the impossible...throaty, deep mellow tone on the outside and "library" quiet inside....and are the Borla's loud, mellow or about with the "Flows" ???? By the way....pictures are in...they're at Readers Pages...Eddie D...70 Pony 70 Sportsroof......

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EDDIE D
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Stewart
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posted 10-21-2001 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eddie, I've heard owners of the Borla systems say that their exhaust at idle is a little subdued when compared to the Flowmasters, but sound wicked-mean at WOT. Plus they don't have the 2000rpm drone.

Me? I like that drone! (imagine the drone with headers and an offroad H-pipe! ) I just turn the music up louder!

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70 Pony
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posted 10-21-2001 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I "hear" ya Stew....would love to hear those Borla's before putting out the $$$$$$$ they cost...and since the '02 comes with full stainless steel exhaust system...would like to stay with the SS, which the Borla's are....
So you think, they;re only "Loud" at WOT and may fill the bill for cruising and idling ???

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EDDIE D
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pthornton
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posted 10-22-2001 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pthornton   Click Here to Email pthornton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had borlas on with the original exhaust manifolds and they were not too bad. They were pretty mellow and sounded like glass packs at WOT. But after I put the headers on, I couldn't hear myself think above 2500 RPM. I went to the delta flow 50 series. The 4.6 does not drone like the 5.0 and the 50 series are not real loud. Nice growl to them.

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Randy Thornton
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70 Pony
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posted 10-22-2001 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Randy......I had pretty much made my decision and you just re inforced it...I was going with the 50 series Delta Flows...now I'm sure I'm going that route...
Thanks Pal...

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EDDIE D
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