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oddrodtodd
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posted 10-06-2004 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oddrodtodd   Click Here to Email oddrodtodd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will be running a Crane Hi-Intensity cam that has a 2500-5500 basic RPM range in my Cleveland. I'll also be running the proper valve springs (95 lbs. on seat) as supplied by Crane. My question is, I have a brand new in-the-box set of TRW VL-35 valve lifters. For this RPM range, is there any reason I can't use these instead of the anti pump-up lifters? It seems to me I ran this same lifter in a small block 302 and spun 6000 RPM without valve float. I've been told that the proper valve spring pressure is more critical than whether or not you've got anti pump-ups. In this RPM range anyway. Anyone care to comment?
Todd

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posted 10-06-2004 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you. Those springs shouldn't cause a problem with stock lifters. If they're brand new, I'd use them.

One caveat, though. If you have a quality problem with the cam, you know Crane will deny responsibility saying you didn't use their lifters.

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oddrodtodd
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posted 10-06-2004 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oddrodtodd   Click Here to Email oddrodtodd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess what I'm really wondering is will I notice any more valve float with stock replacement lifters then I would otherwise experience if I was using anti pump-ups. In this (5500-6000) RPM range.
Thanks, Todd

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 10-06-2004 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With 95 lbs at the seat you'll only have about what, 200 lbs at the nose? You won't want to spin it over 6000 anyway, right?

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oddrodtodd
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posted 10-07-2004 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oddrodtodd   Click Here to Email oddrodtodd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're probably right, this isn't a ton of valve spring, but sufficient for the application:
Crane single-w-damper #99837 is rated 90lbs. on the seat at 1.828" installed height. 262lbs. open at 1.328" (.500 lift). They have a spring rate of 341 lbs./in. This cam has .509 & .519" lift, so the open pressure will be around 265-270lbs. Should be more than sufficient for 6000 RPM.
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posted 10-07-2004 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those are re-packaged Eaton lifters in reality and they are good to 6500 RPM.

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posted 10-08-2004 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oddrodtodd   Click Here to Email oddrodtodd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Those are re-packaged Eaton lifters in reality and they are good to 6500 RPM.


Thanks Moneymaker. That is really what I wanted to know!
Todd

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