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GTRocks
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posted 12-08-2003 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've only got about 15k miles since I put the new King Cobra clutch in and she's slipping like a big dog. Weird though; it only slips in higher gears, and not while shifting. If I'm running in say 4th gear and punch it without downshifting, she'll slip like mad. If I downshift and punch it, she'll slip, but only a little. If I launch from a light and tear through the gears, it doesn't slip at all.

I'm confused as to how this could be slipping so early on in life. I consider myself to have pretty good clutch habits (don't ride it, don't sit at lights with it in, etc.). The one idea I've had is that the flywheel I put in there was used, and looked flat, so I didn't have it turned. Now I'm wondering if it's been turned a few times and there isn't enough surface thickness there to support the clutch now that it has worn in a bit.

I know I'm grasping at straws, but what do you guys think?

I also think I have a POS throw out bearing. That thing has whined since I put it in. Only when the clutch is out and at idle. Otherwise, you'd never hear it.

Ideas?

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gerzen
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posted 12-08-2003 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gerzen   Click Here to Email gerzen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey i folow you? do you have problems for sifting? ok if it thats i suspec that is a clutch adjusten problem because at lever rpm you dont have problem the problem comes when you try to shift at hig rpm im correct?
another thing could you help is change your actually aluminium throw out bearing retainer install an steel type that help you for have a smoth work of your clucth pedal travel.

i dont think your tranny is the problem just is a bad clutch adjusting

i hope this help
if you have more cuestion or more info of your problem just ask me

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GTRocks
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posted 12-09-2003 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure the tranny is fine. It worked fine for 15k, so I don't think that's it. It shifts fine. No problem at all. Just this weird slipping thing. It's getting worse, and I guess I'll be tearing it apart soon to find out for sure what the issue is.

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gerzen
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posted 12-09-2003 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gerzen   Click Here to Email gerzen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok but what is the problem whit the clutch?
is just a noice or a vibrates?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-09-2003 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swap to an automatic.

Weak pressure plate?

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gerzen
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posted 12-09-2003 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gerzen   Click Here to Email gerzen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok i study your question again.
do you change your clutch disc?
i insist if you have to much clutch adjusted the presure plate, the flyweell and the clutch disc doesnt have a fine hold, it is just like if you press a litle bit your pedal, thats why the problem becomes more and more because the clutch disc is going to be a litle thinned, check your adjusting clutch, because i dont think the king cobre set is the problem is just an adjustem problem

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GTRocks
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posted 12-09-2003 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, Steve, you suck!

As Steve is subtly pointing out, this car used to be a POS AOD automatic. I canned that and swapped in a T5 about 15k miles ago. I bought a new King Cobra kit that comes with everything (Steve, do you really think it would be weak if I bought it new?). The flywheel was old and I did not turn it because the surface looked to be in good condition. I'm wondering if maybe the flywheel had been turned too many times previously since I didn't check that. There is some slack in the clutch cable so it "bites" very low in the swing. I really don't think that's the problem since it doesn't slip except when the clutch pedal is completely out. You don't even have to have your foot on the pedal. Do a constant, say 45mph, and nail it, and she'll spin away. You have to ease into it. Since the clutch pedal is completely disengaged, and there's slack in the cable, I can't see that a clutch cable adjustment would help. If there is another adjustment to make, I'm not sure what it would be?

The noise is a vibration that has always been there since the swap. I'm pretty sure it's the throw out bearing. It basically just whines at idle with the clutch out. As soon as you put the clutch in it goes away. It's also not noticeable while driving (under load). Maybe not enough grease on the throw out bearing? I just wonder if this is all related somehow.

David

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 12-10-2003 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
...it doesn't slip except when the clutch pedal is completely out.

Since the clutch pedal is completely disengaged, and there's slack in the cable, I can't see that a clutch cable adjustment would help.

I'm pretty sure it's the throw out bearing. It basically just whines at idle with the clutch out. As soon as you put the clutch in it goes away. It's also not noticeable while driving (under load). Maybe not enough grease on the throw out bearing?


My experience has indicated that a bad throw-out bearing will be "heard" WHEN THE CLUTCH PEDAL PUSHED IN, NOT OUT. When the clutch pedal is out (while driving or under load), the bearing isn't in use. I'd look into the possibility of the lack of engagement of the pressureplate/clutch disc to your flywheel surface; rather than an issue with the throw-out bearing.

Just my 2 cents.... Keep us informed as to what you determine your problem was!

Good Luck!
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posted 12-10-2003 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's another nuance to this problem that I should have described also. The vibration can be quieted by allowing the car to roll about 6"-12". It'll go away altogether. Then if you let it roll again, it'll come back. Seems to me that something is out of round. This emphasized my suspicion that I should have had the flywheel turned. Although, I can't see how that would affect the throw-out bearing. At a stretch, I wonder if the tranny input shaft could be slightly out of round. I don't know....I'm snowed.

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GTRocks
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posted 12-14-2003 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone??!?!

Steve, weak pressure plate after only 15k? You really think that's feasible?

I was talking with a guy last night that said these symptoms could indicate glazing on the flywheel. I just don't know enough about it.

Dave

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FISHTAIL
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posted 12-16-2003 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the clutch cable? Do you have an aftermarket unit? My buddy who lives down by you had a similar issue with his centerforce, and part of the problem was that his cable wasn't adjusted properly. The other part was that his pressure plate took a crap. Perhaps the pressure plate is weak, or the flywheel is badly glazed, the motor has more mechanical advantage in lower gears, so mabye the additional load of the higher gears is causing the slip? Ben and I can look it over with you if you like....we are local after all.

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posted 12-16-2003 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THere is something else...I know this is what you probably don't wanna hear, but the bestway to check this out is probably to pull the trans and have a look at everything. My friend has a heated garage, although he's currently rebuilding the motor on my friends 2k3 cobra. But that shouldn't take him too much longer. We could always just meet up over there, and drop the trans and look around. I can talk to him about it if ya want.(Sorry if all my responses are kinda half assed, Im' "studying" at the same time as I'm posting).

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posted 12-16-2003 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm planning on ripping it apart between Christmas and New Year's. I have a garage, and I just lined up a heater. You guys are more than welcome to join; I'd like that! My current theory, based on post over in the Ford Racing Forum is that I have a bad bearing in the input shaft. That theory makes a lot of sense due to the fact that the vibration comes and goes in 6-12" intervals. I'm also going to get the flywheel resurfaced and checked to ensure there's enough of it there. I may be getting another clutch before it's all over too, but I hope not! Just what I need is another $300 bill at Christmas time!!

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FISHTAIL
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posted 12-16-2003 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well if it's the input bearring it would be really loud in 4th gear I believe. But that wouldn't explain the slipping part. As for the cable adjustment, I missed your answer to that earlier in the post....I must have skipped that reply. you don't have oil or anything leaking down in there do you? Anyway, if you do want help pulling it, let me know, I don't have anything to do after the 21st . And Ben and I have pulled more than our fair share of transmissions out of fox body mustangs, I've pulled mine 3 times, and his has come out at least twice, maybe 3 times there too. Plus other peoples cars....so I'd be more than happy to lend a hand(especially if it's warm) and I'm sure he wouldnt mind either

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posted 12-16-2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a deal to me. I have a ground test (as opposed to a flight test) on the 22nd, so how's the 23rd sound?

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posted 12-16-2003 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Should be fine. That's tuesday right? I'm almost positive I don't work at all that week, but I haven't even called in, so I have NO idea...lol. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't have me scheduled, I told him I needed a break for a bit. Gonna need directions though....or a place to meet.

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posted 12-18-2003 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've got mail!

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gerzen
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posted 12-23-2003 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gerzen   Click Here to Email gerzen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey david check if your seal in the throw out bearing retainer is not leaking, i have that problem in my mustang and that slip in the high gears (fourth and thirth), i change the all aluminium throw out bearing retariner for an steel unit and the front seal, and that change was amazing first the clutch pedal action makes a very very smoth, the enganmet of the entire clutch becomes very fine, so i recomender 3 things
1.- resurfaces your flywell
2.- check your rear main seal and the main seal in the throwout bearing retainer.
3.- finally install a stell throw out bering retainer.

and that?s all i dont think the presure plate comes a weak in 15k is just a surfaces of your flywell, oh i forgot if you have a oil leak and that oil comes on your clucth disc you must to change it.

gerardo

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posted 12-23-2003 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm willing to bet that there is oil contamination on the disc. Intake seal leak, rear main, or front trans seal.

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GTRocks
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posted 12-23-2003 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Main seal was replaced last time. It's still good. We tore it apart today. Flywheel is shot. It didn't have much left on it and is almost flush with the surface itself. What is there is cracked, glazed and burned. Toast. Anyway, the clutch pressure plate looks bad also. it's all glazed up too. Also the fingers don't look even, almost like the throw-out bearing was putting uneven pressure on them (worn more on one side than the other). I'm going to replace the pilot bearing, throw out bearing, flywheel and clutch. Should be good to go, but my wallet is going to hurt!!

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posted 12-25-2003 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you think it'll make you feel any better, we could load the pressure plate into a skeet launcher and shoot at it

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posted 12-25-2003 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL!! That's about what it's worth! Hey, Fishtail, I called Speed Unlimited and they have the CF Dual Friction with T/O Bearing for $340. Flywheel is $99. They're holding it for me to pick up tomorrow. I'll be reassembling tomorrow afternoon if you're up for it! I can get a better price on the clutch on line ($314 is the best I've seen) but by the time I paid shipping, I think it would be a wash. Plus this way I can be working on it tomorrow!

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posted 12-26-2003 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, that didn't take long! I may be able to lend a hand tommorow, not sure yet. My fam is going into DC tommorow, and ben is dropping the tank out of the cobra, and bringing the block in to get worked up. So it's now 3am and I have NO IDEA what's going on tommorow. Hopefully I can help though, maybe ben too, once I figure out what in the blazes is going on tommorow I'll have to give you a ring and let you know. If you don't already have it in by then:-P. I almost didn't check this site tonight!

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posted 12-26-2003 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to call your cell, but never seemed to think of it at a reasonable hour. I keep forgetting your a college student! My hours are a lot more "reasonable" than yours! LOL. Anyway, I'm getting a slow start today and probably won't get back here til 2pm or so. No biggie if you can't make it, but I'd be happy to have you (and Ben).

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posted 12-28-2003 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reasonawhat? Don't ever worry about calling the cell, if I'm sleeping, or somewhere it shouldn't ring, it's off. So if the phone rings, you are good to go. Hopefully speed unreasonable will get you your stuff, and correctly this time!

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Something I had to deal with when changing a clutch is the Fork Ball socket inside the bellhousing. If the flywheel was over machined, you had to adjust the ball so the throw out bearing applied pressure correctly on the fingers of the pressure plate. Its not something anyone normally thinks of when installing a new clutch.

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posted 12-29-2003 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a Ford tech, I believe you all have this problem under control, BUT my big bich is that you told the OWNER of this web site......Steve.......that he "SUCKS"!! NOT A GOOD MOVE in my book. As I've been here since nearly the beginning, I'm sure that Steve DOESN'T suck . Just my 2 cents. Love ya Steve!!

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posted 12-29-2003 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No big deal. The difference is he was joking.

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posted 12-29-2003 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know! I could tell by the number of posts GTRocks has posted! Take care!

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posted 12-29-2003 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sticking up for me though, Craig.

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posted 12-30-2003 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I absolutely was kidding! If I ever thought Steve would have taken that seriously, I never would have posted it!

Steve's my hero!!

This project however, is a pita!! First I get the Centerforce Dual friction clutch (flywheel and clutch were toast) and get it home to realize that they gave me a King cobra clutch and a Centerforce pressure plate. They were very appologetic, but that didn't help the day they wasted for me (one hour drive to their shop each way). I got it all installed last night and came home today to finish the exhaust/adjustments etc. and put in the tranny fluid. Stopped by the hardware store to get a drill pump to fill it up, and get the last one they had on the shelf. Get it home, change into my grubbies and set it all up and the pump doesn't work!!

I should have this project completed by spring!!

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yall ever thought about that you could solve all these problems with a c-4???

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posted 12-30-2003 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL....AOD started this whole mess!!

Gotta have the OD position on a daily driver with gears, IMO. I thought about having the AOD built up, but decided I didn't like leaving the gear controller in the hands of a mechanical liquid pusher. I was always yelling, "shift, dangit, shift!" (or maybe something a little more colorful). I decided to take control back to where it should be....ME!!

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posted 12-31-2003 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You obviously haven't driven a performance automatic. They can shift faster than your hand can reach the shifter.

But manuals are more fun to drive, especially in traffic...

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posted 12-31-2003 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not so much the speed of the shift that bothers as it is downshifting. I enjoy controlling what gear I am in. An automatic can't forsee the corner coming up that it needs to downshift for.

I use traffic as an excuse to get my daily exercise!

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posted 12-31-2003 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a manual valve body will fix all that gt!!

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racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html

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posted 12-31-2003 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A manual tranny fixed it just fine!!

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posted 12-31-2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see that from your posts above...

{P.S. Automatics downshift too}

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

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posted 12-31-2003 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn, that's too close to home, man!! ouch!

I got it all back together. Didn't seal up the exhaust right, so I have to tighten that down, and the clutch is engaging way too low, so I have to tighten that up. Almost there.....

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posted 12-31-2003 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just funning ya!

You'll be rowing in no time.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

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posted 12-31-2003 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
go get them buddy. some of us are just to old, fat and lazy to shift!!

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mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-7.51 @89mph 1/8
1.54 60 ft.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/billswebsite/pg06.html

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posted 12-31-2003 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right!

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

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posted 12-31-2003 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took it for a ride. I have a serious exhaust leak on the passenger header. I tightened it up, but it's still there. I tried to hit some bumps to knock it back in place and I'll try to tighten it up some more in the morning.

Clutch is also engaging a little bit low I think. I'll tighten that up a tad more tomorrow also. That vibration is still there too. I ran through a diagnostic in the manual, and it says it's tranny related. Oh, well, I'll be living with that. It's not bad.

Love the clutch though (dual friction). It's really light. I about put my foot through the floor the first time. It seems to hold better too. I lit 'em up hard with little effort!

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posted 01-01-2004 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks   Click Here to Email GTRocks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Done. Clutch is adjusted and I finally clamped down that header. That was a pita. Anyway, she's running great now! Sandy took her for a spin too. She likes that Centerforce!!

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posted 01-01-2004 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All's well that ends well!

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

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posted 01-07-2004 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Joy! I should be driving mine around soon, I have to replace the front control arms now(long story), and I need to order my brakes lines. Then it's emmissions time, followed by camshaft install!!! mwa hahahaha

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92GT "The Ghetto Sled" (less ghetto with new paint)
CMSC major @ University of MD college park
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