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John Holloway
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posted 09-16-2002 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone tell me what the last year that they made the water pump pulley with groves for a serpentine(before the reverse water pump with the smooth pulley)

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John Holloway
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posted 09-16-2002 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot to say its for a 302

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Boss302
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posted 09-16-2002 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss302   Click Here to Email Boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm clueless on this one...fishtail should know

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Stewart
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posted 09-16-2002 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beatcha to it, Max. Been talking with Mike (fishtail) for the past few hours, and this was one of the things we've been pondering.

No definitive answer....yet!

Stewart

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FISHTAIL
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posted 09-16-2002 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm I should ask, why are you asking? This is something I"m not sure of...I know that all 87 and up 5.0s are the reverse rotation pump. My friend just got an 85GT, so once I poke around under that hood I'll be able to verify if the older fox's have the threaded pump, or the reverse rotation pump. But at this point I'm going to have to say that I don't know offhand. I'll look around some, if I come across the answer, I'll be sure to post it.

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FISHTAIL
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posted 09-16-2002 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok did some checking. Looks like my gut was semi right. I told stew that I think 85 would be different since it got the roller motor(hence 84 and prior). I was both right and wrong. They list both for that year(so they are different sorta), and they list 6 and 8 ribbed pullies. So, it looks like 85 is your number and you need to be careful with the selection. 86 and up should all have the reverse rotation pump since they are all the SEFI motor(even though there are cam/tb/head/piston differences).

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Rory McNeil
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posted 09-17-2002 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I may be wrong, but I always thought that all the V8 Mustangs from 79 up used the serpentine belt with a reverse rotation water pump.

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cpmaverick
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posted 09-17-2002 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed, I did a lot of searching in parts manuals and books looking for a stock pulley setup for the 82-up balancer. (I needed it for my Maverick). All 79-up Mustangs ran a serpentine belt. All 79-up Mustangs ran reverse rotation water pumps. By definition, this means they had to have a smooth pulley. You can't have a ribbed pulley turn backwards.

The trucks ran v-belt setups until they went to reverse rotation water pumps as well (in 1986 I believe for the 302).

But your holy grail the full size Ford ran a regular rotation water pump until the 4.6 came along (1991). So you can find a ribbed serpentine belt pulley there.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-17-2002 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Charlie is correct on all except the trucks. 85 351 was still "V" belt, 302 went to serpentime.

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FISHTAIL
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posted 09-17-2002 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok thats odd, because I went onto carparts.com last night and started looking up waterpumps until I found one with ribbed pullies. They list a standard rotation water pump with a ribbed pulley for 1985. I guess I need a new way to verify things

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John Holloway
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posted 09-17-2002 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm looking to go to a serpentine belt set up on my 77 MustangII,I'm looking for a 3 pulley setup with a ribed water pump so I can run the older style water pump,I want stock pulleys,All I can find is performance pulleys!

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Boss302
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posted 09-18-2002 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss302   Click Here to Email Boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what exactly is a serpentine belt?

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John Holloway
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posted 09-18-2002 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good One!

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-18-2002 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carparts.com ???????


That is a source of information?

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Alex Denysenko
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Stewart
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posted 09-18-2002 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Boss302:
what exactly is a serpentine belt?


Max, a serpentine belt is sometimes called the fan belt. It's the belt hooked to all those accessory pullies and crank pully on the front of your engine.

Stewart

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FISHTAIL
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posted 09-18-2002 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FISHTAIL   Click Here to Email FISHTAIL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, well not really.....but I was trying to come up with an answer for something I didn't know quickly, and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Although, being that I work at a garage, and knowing how often we get the wrong parts from parts houses even though it's what they list....I should know better. Live and learn I don't apparently .

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-FISHTAIL
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cpmaverick
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posted 09-20-2002 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex!

My dad's got an 85 Bronco with the v-belt setup... yes, it is a 351 though

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Boss302
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posted 09-20-2002 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss302   Click Here to Email Boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stewart:
a serpentine belt is sometimes called the fan belt.

Stewart



ohhh, a fan belt...i gotcha now

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mvendl
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posted 09-20-2002 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mvendl   Click Here to Email mvendl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
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Originally posted by Boss302:
what exactly is a serpentine belt?


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quote:

Originally posted by Stewart:

Max, a serpentine belt is sometimes called the fan belt. It's the belt hooked to all those accessory pullies and crank pully on the front of your engine.


Just for Boss302's benefit, the "serpentine" was a slang shop term for that "new fangled" belt that "snaked" it's way through the front of your engine. That from an old Ford mechanic buddy of mine when asked on the origination of the word...

Either way, it means the same thing, I've always known it as a serpentine... guess old terms are starting to fade...

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-21-2002 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Brandon, everyone else here is full of sh*t. A serpantine belt is made from snake skin. It has far better adhesion and wear characteristics than the normal rubber belts. Haven't you ever heard of snake skin boots? They last forever.

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Alex Denysenko
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Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"

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Stewart
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posted 09-21-2002 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Actually Brandon, everyone else here is full of sh*t.


This coming from His Highness, The Most Odiferous One!

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-21-2002 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know!

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"

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John Holloway
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posted 09-21-2002 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Holloway   Click Here to Email John Holloway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FISHTAIL:
ok did some checking. Looks like my gut was semi right. I told stew that I think 85 would be different since it got the roller motor(hence 84 and prior). I was both right and wrong. They list both for that year(so they are different sorta), and they list 6 and 8 ribbed pullies. So, it looks like 85 is your number and you need to be careful with the selection. 86 and up should all have the reverse rotation pump since they are all the SEFI motor(even though there are cam/tb/head/piston differences).


Thanks Fishtail,You were correct on your info.85 crown vic.has a 6 rib waterpump pulley

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