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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 07-29-2006 01:18 PM
   
I am getting ready to install my windshield and I'm puzzled by my stands. The two stands that support the windshield seem to have 1/8" thick rubber molded onto them. The ribbon kit I got came with two bumpers that are much thicker, around 3/8"Can anyone clue me in on how these are supposed to attach? My body shop removed my old windshield. My gut feeling is to use the original stands as they are and just toss the bumpers the ribbon kit came with. None of my manuals are any help. Here are pics that show the stands and the new bumpers:   ------------------
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69 Sportsroof
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posted 07-31-2006 10:12 AM
Sorry Steve, I cant help with the seats but my windshield was installed before I put the dash pad in and I still haven't got the screws next to the windshield installed. They wont line up at all. Don't know if it's the pad (aftermarket) or the windshield (new) but it may be something to think about.
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rcodenewf
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From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 07-31-2006 11:31 AM
Steve. Just to make it easy and to ensure you glass goes back in the correct position I'd reuse the old stands. I just installed a new PPG windshield in my 69. Didn't come with any hardware so I reused mine and it fit perfect. Sometimes you just can't beat that original stuff!
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-01-2006 06:05 PM
That's what I'll do, rcode, thanks.Dave, that's a good point and something to look at, thanks. ------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-09-2006 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by rcodenewf:
Steve. Just to make it easy and to ensure you glass goes back in the correct position I'd reuse the old stands. I just installed a new PPG windshield in my 69. Didn't come with any hardware so I reused mine and it fit perfect. Sometimes you just can't beat that original stuff!
I meant to ask you, did your stands look just like mine? Any tips on windshield installation you'd like to share? That's one job I've never done before, and I think I've done just about everything else. ------------------
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rcodenewf
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From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 08-09-2006 08:14 PM
Hello Steve. Yes, my stands were exactly as yours are. As far as the windshield installation goes I had a friend help me who does this for a living. First thing we did was clean the ledge where the windshield sits with a degreaser. My car had just been freshly painted with the glass out so it was very clean and fresh.
Then we used a black bonding primer. Comes in a bottle and is brushed in with the applicatior in the bottle that has a cotton/sponge ball.
A thick bead of urethane was then applied to the ledge with a gun and allowed to sit for roughly 5 minutes. Then the glass was placed on the stands and very gently laid against the bead on the ledge. Again, gently the windshield was pressed down onto the bead but not hard enough to compress it much. Just enough so that you could see the glass contacting the bead all around. Now, the mouldings were another story. We had much trouble trying to install new metal clips so we opted for the plastic ones and the mouldings went on in a snap. Fit perfectly and I certainly don't have to worry about the clips rusting. That's about it. Cleanliness is everything and that bonding primer works great. I is the seal between the painted ledge of the car and the urethane which sticks to the glass like S--t. The glass was a tinted replacement PPG with the wide band at the top.
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-10-2006 04:53 PM
You didn't use the ribbon seal?------------------
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rcodenewf
Gearhead Posts: 150
From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 08-10-2006 11:39 PM
Hey Steve. Ribbon seal??
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-11-2006 09:18 AM
Yeah, it's a tape that goes around the periphery of the windshield opening, about 3/8" wide and 1/8" thick or so. NPD has it as part number 903-3 on page 195. It goes between the windshield and body to prevent the windshield from cracking as you go over bumps, etc. Ford has it under parts group 19562------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-11-2006 09:26 AM
Also, I'd love to hear about the plastic clips, I'm all for not scratching the paint. Those metal clips are brutal..------------------
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rcodenewf
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From: Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 08-11-2006 12:39 PM
Hello Steve. I think that ribbon kit is fine as long as the windshield is installed as per 'the old days'. With the advent of new urethane sealers all new vehicle windshields are installed on a 'bed' or 'strip' of urethane and the windshield now becomes a structural part of the car. No longer is windshield butyl allowed to install windshields, at least not up here in Canada. I just used that same tube of urethane to glue in the brackets on my 69 side glass. That stuff is unbelievable.
As far as the clips go, I will get the part number for you as well as the manufacturer (I believe Aveco)and post it for you. We fought and fought with the metal clips on the back glass as well. Then my windshield guy recommends the plastic clips. I agreed as this car wasnt concours and plastic clips certainly don't rust. They were the simplest thing to use. I'll certainly go that route again. I'll post the part number for ya. 
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-14-2006 07:21 PM
I'm not a fan of using the glass as a structual member of the car. Back in the old days, people never usually got their windshield replaced unless it was hit by vandals or a stray rock. Now there are windsheild franchises all over the place and it seems every tenth car I see has a cracked windshield.On mine, the original was even in really good shape, except for a tiny mark from a stone. I only really changed it because my bodyman kept insisting I'd regret it if I didn't if it was the only part of the car that didn't look brand new. ------------------
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rcodenewf
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From: Manitoba, Canada
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posted 08-15-2006 01:03 AM
I think I know where you are coming from Steve and I'm certainly not disagreeing with you. Todays vehicles rely on the windshield as well for structural strength as most cars are of unibody construction and you rarely see a full frame anymore except for pickups etc. Bodymen and windshield installers have to go to stringent testing to ensure that they know how to put that windshield in so that it does become structurally sound. Keep in mind your car and mine are unibody cars. Steve , I just retired from working 25 years as a police officer. I've atteded many accidents involving rollovers and i've seen cars crushed down an enormous amount and the windshield is shattered but still intact. I've also gone to accident scenes where i've seen the windshield laying completely intact and undamaged several yards away and the roof mangled down at the 'A' pillars. Our investigations into incidents of this nature usually surface the fact that a recent windshield had been installed...obviously incorrectly. If a windshield isn't urethaned in place up here..no insurance but the professional glass installers know that this is the procedure so they install it that way.
John
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
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posted 08-16-2006 06:44 PM
Another thing to keep in mind is back in those days they took into account that not everyone wore seat belts, and they felt people got less severe injuries if their bodies popped the windshield as opposed to breaking through them. I read that once in some obscure manual. Nowadays we have SRS and seat belts so the passengers usually stay in place during an impact.------------------
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rcodenewf
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From: Manitoba, Canada
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posted 08-17-2006 03:41 PM
Yes I hear ya Steve. I've gone to numerous accident scenes where seatbelted people have expired and then others that weren't wearing them and were thrown clear survived. I wish I had all the answers. Good luck with the windshield. Just about have my 69 acapulco blue fastback done. I'll post a pic as soon as she's done...
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