I recently(3months)bought a 1973 mustang machone,,, i am very happy with it, its runs and looks awsome!

Unfortunatly i have been told it is realy a grande made to look like a mach one.... and i was just wondering whats the difrence? it looks exactly like a mach one, it has a 351C 2v and as far as i know it is a mach1...please help me identify the real make of this car

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Originally posted by mach1mustang:
Hello every one!
im new to the mustang world so please bare with me if my question apear simple or stupid.

I recently(3months)bought a 1973 mustang machone,,, i am very happy with it, its runs and looks awsome!

Unfortunatly i have been told it is realy a grande made to look like a mach one.... and i was just wondering whats the difrence? it looks exactly like a mach one, it has a 351C 2v and as far as i know it is a mach1...please help me identify the real make of this car

thanks alot

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I already know i overpayed for the car so if it turnes out to be a grande instead of a mach1 im probably going to sue for some of my money back, witch i will then put back into the car

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Originally posted by mach1mustang:
well it is a sports roof, and it has the spoiler front and back, but my mechanic says its a grande, he said he is pretty sure that the numbers inside give it away,,,, im not 100%sure whitch is why i ask.

I already know i overpayed for the car so if it turnes out to be a grande instead of a mach1 im probably going to sue for some of my money back, witch i will then put back into the car

so if anyone knows how to tell the difrence it would be greatly apreaciated

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SkinnyMan
Tupelo, MS

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All Grandes were hardtops {coupes} with a luxury package. They will have an '04' in the VIN.

The doors badge says 3f04h183632
it also says a bunch or numbers with the body and colour ect,...

the dash has a difrent number with 2 hang writen F's on eash end of the numbers

the other number, on the door says its a grande coupe witch does not make scence because you can tell by looking at it that its a sports roof

hmmm, im getting more confused about what the car is and just as confused about what to do about it!!!

the number on the title is the same as on the dash "3f02h213386" witch would be sportsroof, not grande coupe, but im still confused!!!! sportsroof does not meen mach1 right? it could just be a grande sportsroof right?

Do you think i should ask for money back?
i would ask for a full refund and give the car back but i have already spent 1,800 on geting it running correctly!

GRRR im so confused and i dont know what to do!!!!!

I bought the car from http://Vancouversei.com

If not i will just try to sue him because i got quoted is was worth $7,000 befor the engine repairs and i paid $1,800 to get it running smoothly(new carb, new gas tank, fuel lines filter ect...) when i got it they said it Ran good, started good, drove good but when i got it the engine stalled and didnt run well at all!

First, you've got a great looking car!

Whether or not its a factory-built Mach I could easily be prven by contacing a company known as Marti Auto Works. Kevin Marti worked for several years trying to get information from Ford on ALL mustangs, and eventually obtained a huge database from Ford. He is the only one who has it and the only one licensed by Ford to use it and sell the information. The database will contain all the original information about your particular car.....when it was ordered, when it was built, how it was equipped, where and when it was sold. It will be THE answer to all your questions.

Now, about this thing about suing to get your money back....let it go. You have a great car! It isn't a show car, at least not yet, but I'm sure you love it and will enjoy making your own modifications and improvements to it. You, as an enthusiast, probably had a lot more interest in that car than the dealer, and yet you arent' really sure what it is. Do you think the dealer knew any better? He may be innocent. Maybe he was told it was a Mach I and he didn't know any better. It CAN be very confusing trying to document an old car. Also, it could be that he was selling it on consignment for the previous owner and only had the information that owner told him. There can be lots of reasons and excuses, but the bottom line is that you got a really nice car at a typical price. I don't think you over-paid for it even if it isn't a 'factory' Mach I.

In the USA, you would have to prove that 1) a crime occured, and 2) that there was intention for the crime to have occured.

The sticker on the door doesnt' mean anything at all. A door is easily unbolted from one car and changed onto another, especially if there was accident damage. You need to work with the number on your title. Hopefully you will be able to find a matching VIN inside the engien compartment somewhere, sometimes on a steel business-card sized plate that has your vin and other info on it.

Enjoy your new car and put the past behind you.

you may want to look at the 429 mustang mega site which was a lot of help for me this site only has documentation on the 71-73 Mach1's

http://www.429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com

Best to you
Joe Rigby

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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
If your VIN has a '05' in the third and forth digits, it's a Mach 1. If it says '02' it is a standard Sportsroof.

All Grandes were hardtops {coupes} with a luxury package. They will have an '04' in the VIN.

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Your car is an Sportsroof. {note the '02' in your VIN.}

It is not a Mach 1. {note the '02' in your VIN.} If your car was a Mach 1, the VIN would be 3f05h213386

It obviously has had the door replaced with a door from a Grande. {note the '04' in the VIN on the door sticker.}

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Bob
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71 J code
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There was the standard hard-top, and the up-scale hard-top was the 'Grande'.

Then there was the 'sportsroof', and the up-scale sportsroof was the 'Mach 1'(and Boss 351 in '71).

The Mach 1 came with a minimum level of extra equipment over the sportsroof:

moral of this story, always check it out in person first!!!!!!

I also would like to know what the diffrence between 2v and 4v is?(sorry for the novice question)

Also is it possible to change a 2v into a 4v???

If you plan even the most modest internal upgrades, get a Weiand X-cellorator 2V four barrel manifold.

If I were you, I'd get the Weiand anyway. It's a single plane manifold, which as a rule of thumb are supposed to have more high RPM power at the cost of low RPM power.

I've tried both, and to me there's little to no difference between the two at low RPM, but above 5K the Weiand is much better.

Oh BTW, the 2V in both cases, means the manifold fits Cleveland 2V heads.

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Originally posted by Fastback68:
Aaah, I'm glad you pitched up So that last line about everything else being an option ... are you confirming what I read? Mach 1s could be had with plain interiors, and Sportsroofs could be had with Mach 1 interiors?

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And...whay was that model called a 'Grande'?...It was no larger than any other Mustang model that year! (I think Ford was fudging what they intended 'Grande' to mean!)

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1971 'J' code 429 Mach 1
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1988 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
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