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SUBMARINER MUSTANGER
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posted 07-08-2005 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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70boss302
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posted 07-08-2005 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need more like him!

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68mustang351w
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posted 07-09-2005 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68mustang351w   Click Here to Email 68mustang351w     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70boss302:
We need more like him!

Youre a f*cking idiot.

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Fight2Conquer
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posted 07-09-2005 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fight2Conquer   Click Here to Email Fight2Conquer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has his own show called "The Amazing Racist". You can see them on National Lampoons Lost Reality 1 & 2. They are pretty funny, but when you see his last name, you question his motives.

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70boss302
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posted 07-09-2005 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 68mustang351w:
Youre a f*cking idiot.

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So, you are a supporter of having illegals taking work away from American citizens and think I am the F'n idiot. You need to step back and take another look at yourself before you point fingers and call names.
I said we need more like him because he did something to stop illegal aliens from stealing work. Yes, he did it for the worong reasons, but the fact still remains that he did something.
Maybe it was you on the back of that truck and thats why you are mad that I said what I said. Time to change the oil in your hair mister.

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70boss302
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posted 07-09-2005 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to send 68mustang351w an E mail and I noticed that his address was 'little mexican'. Maybe it really was him or a relative on back of that truck!
I question his motives for calling people names on open forums and my suspicions are confirmed.

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capri man
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posted 07-09-2005 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 68mustang351w:
Youre a f*cking idiot.

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that wasnt to nice!!

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Mooney
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posted 07-09-2005 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooney   Click Here to Email Mooney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70boss302:

I said we need more like him because he did something to stop illegal aliens from stealing work.


He didn't do anything to stop them, all he did was make himself laugh. And hopefully only himself. As thats just a waste of time. When you have nothing better to do than think of things like that, you have a real problem.

But when someone stops and asks you if you want to work, I wouldn't consider it stealing. Is it their fault that construction crews would rather have cheap labor from someone thats going to work from dawn till dusk and do a good job in most cases and not complain?
No its not.

Now I agree they shouldn't be here illegally, but no ones forcing people to pick them up and use them.

I've known plenty that aren't here illegally. As well as many that were. But in either case 90% of the time they outlasted any other type of person that worked the construction site for the entire duration if not onto the next job and were completely dependable as well as capable for the jobs they did. This is why they're on every jobsite.

People as a whole are going to try (if they know how) to get things for free as opposed to paying for it if they can. Who cares what it is. And this is what they've found out. They can work here, make reasonable money, move into an area where they're accepted and its home sweet home. Can't blame them when we ourselves are giving them the oppurtunity to do so.

I don't know a solution for the problem. All I can say is what he did wasn't done in turn to help the problem. It was done as an act of stupidity. And the fact the he has his own show and people actually tune into it? Then thats just a stain on American Society.

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70boss302
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posted 07-09-2005 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mooney,
If you read my 2nd post, I clearly said that he did it for the wrong reasons.
Drugs are illegal too but since they are readily available most anywhere (read: easy to find, like illegal workers) the temptation is all too real and many will give in to what they know is wrong.
I don't blame anyone for doing what they must to feed their familiy. I do blame 68mustang351w for his profanity.

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70boss302
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posted 07-09-2005 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fight2Conquer:
He has his own show called "The Amazing Racist". You can see them on National Lampoons Lost Reality 1 & 2. They are pretty funny, but when you see his last name, you question his motives.


BTW......I never seen or heard of this guy until this thread. He has his own TV show???

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Mooney
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posted 07-09-2005 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooney   Click Here to Email Mooney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70boss302:
Mooney,
If you read my 2nd post, I clearly said that he did it for the wrong reasons.
Drugs are illegal too but since they are readily available most anywhere (read: easy to find, like illegal workers) the temptation is all too real and many will give in to what they know is wrong.
I don't blame anyone for doing what they must to feed their familiy. I do blame 68mustang351w for his profanity.



I did read your second post; I interpreted your statement "the wrong reasons" as that he was bored, but he was still doing the right thing. Which is where I didn't understand the reasoning behind it being the right thing? Or even a purposeful thing, as it accomplished nothing.

I agree with you whole-heartedly, you have to do what you must to feed your family.

Luke

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SkinnyMan
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posted 07-09-2005 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkinnyMan   Click Here to Email SkinnyMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70boss302:
So, you are a supporter of having illegals taking work away from American citizens and think I am the F'n idiot.

I said we need more like him because he did something to stop illegal aliens from stealing work.

Time to change the oil in your hair mister.


Gee, can't we all just get along!

BTW most of the jobs the illegals are doing is work that no citizen of the USA wants to do.

Your comments up to your last sentence were acceptable. The last sentence is not.

I believe that our weenie politicians need to step up to the plate and get this problem fixed. Go back to the bracero program (green cards for workers who can transit the border legally) and pull the rug out from under the "coyotes" who are taking advantage of the situation.

68Mustang should have stated his point differently, but Boss302 needs to show some of that "blue state" liberal leaning.

Go at it with arguments on how to make it work for mostly honest people who want to earn a living and still gain control over our borders keeping out real criminals and drugs.

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Dubz
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posted 07-09-2005 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not really stealing if someone is willing to do the same job, work longer hours, and work for less money.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 07-09-2005 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe a simple solution to the problem is to require local governments to withhold welfare, food stamps, and unemployment until every last job in town is filled. I ran a company for many years where I couldn't find anybody to work at our $6-7/hr starting pay jobs {most earned $10-20/hr after all the bonuses and commissions were added in} and when I called the unemployment office to try to recruit workers you would have thought I was trying to give away bags of crap.

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Fastymz
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posted 07-09-2005 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 68mustang351w:
Youre a f*cking idiot.

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I don't think that was called for at all. I don't see why we can't disagree and still be adult about it. I didn't find the video funny either. But I'm not upset by those that do.

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Dubz
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posted 07-09-2005 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.ncbuy.com/news/2004-10-22/1010895.html

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SkinnyMan
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posted 07-10-2005 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkinnyMan   Click Here to Email SkinnyMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dubz:
http://www.ncbuy.com/news/2004-10-22/1010895.html

I remember when "Reality TV" was "Cops" and cop car chases.

Now reality is whatever stupid thing someone wants to do and get on TV. I'm about ready to unplug the thing(s).

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Mario428
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posted 07-10-2005 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mario428   Click Here to Email Mario428     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 68mustang351w:
Youre a f*cking idiot.

[This message has been edited by 68mustang351w (edited 07-09-2005).]

[This message has been edited by 68mustang351w (edited 07-09-2005).]


While I do not agree with the wording I definitly agree with the sentiment.
I found the video very distubing, the sheer ignorance and cruelty of the people making the video is appalling.
Those people are desperatly trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.
The fact that anyone can get paid to make such a video and people will actually enjoy it is a very telling statement about the relative intelligence and level of caring of our society.

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Scott H
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posted 07-10-2005 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott H   Click Here to Email Scott H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless you are Native American Indian you are either an immigrant or the ancestor of immigrants. Would you have wanted your parents or grandparents to be treated this way?
What he did and the way he did it was cruel and malicious. He lied to them to get them to go along with him and then endangered them by transporting them in the back of an open truck while deliberatly trying to 'shake them up'.
I don't think he was trying to help enforce any border laws, he was jusut trying to make a shock video for fun and profit. If he was truly motivated to try to help with the problem of illegal aliens I'm sure a much more productive method could be found.

I DO think our laws and borders are necessary. I DO think we should do more to secure our borders, especially like the militia idea taking place in texas. I DON'T think taxpayer resources should be available to non-residents who don't pay taxes. I think if you are in this country illegaly and your baby is born on our soil that the baby is also an illegal.

But within our laws we should still act humanely and decently to our fellow man. Maybe one day those guys in the video will obtain citizenship thru proper channels and we should at that time welcome him/her with open arms, instead of leaving a racist image in their memory forever.

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SUBMARINER MUSTANGER
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posted 07-10-2005 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SUBMARINER MUSTANGER   Click Here to Email SUBMARINER MUSTANGER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa. I've been gone for the past 2 days doing my Air Force drill weekend....had no idea this thread went this way.

I apologize to anyone who was offended by the video. Although I did initially think his prank was "original", I also remember saying to myself, "that guy is f*%*ed up". He obviously is not contributing any answers to the problem, but only humoring himself. He'll get his when it comes time for him to face the piper!

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68mustang351w
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posted 07-11-2005 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68mustang351w   Click Here to Email 68mustang351w     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, i was actually expecting some email. I figured people decided to leave this thread alone (since i forgot to check on it), guess not. Im 100% Mexican and im educated and im damn proud of it. My parents did come here "illegally", and my father found work doing things no one wanted to do, obviously. Im pretty sure most of the people on this board would not even consider some of the jobs my father did, even before you factor in the wage. Now if you want to email me personally, i dont care. I am more than willing to share my person experience along with those of my parents and everything else ive learned at San Diego State and other institutions, to try to help open people's eyes. If you are willing to listen, im willing to write. Now if you want/ need to vent, then thats ok with me too, ill read all the emails i get and probably respond. Ill make it nice and easy lilmetzican @ hotmail.com (no spaces). Oh and what i saw in the video was this completely ignorant a$$hole, being a prick just to get himself to laugh. Someone agreed with it and i had something to say about it, that was my "motive". Now ive got to question your motives. You go from outright agreeing with this guy to saying he didnt it in a less than nice way but at least he did something about it but all he did was make fun of people because of their race. You also insult me by implying that i or family member was on that truck and furthermore you go on to say that i should change the oil in my hair, which im not even sure where that comes from, maybe has something to do with my race and perhaps some negatives views you hold for my particular race. You questioned my motives for calling you a f*cking idiot, when the post right before that you make some racist remark. So what was your motive for agreeing with this guy, then insulting me?.. David F.

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but david, 70boss made a general statement and you attacked him personally. not taking sides, just a general observation. has anyone ever considered the possibility that this movie was staged?? maybe everyone in it was in on the joke???

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posted 07-11-2005 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deathtoricers   Click Here to Email deathtoricers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a soon to be immigrant to the USA
I'm doing it legally........DO YOU REALIZE HOW HARD IT IS TO ENTER THE USA IF YOU'RE NOT A MINORITY??!!?!?!??!??!??!?!?!???!?!?!?!

if I was Mexican, or Cuban, or a refugee from a third world country I'd be in like Flynn
but because I come from CANADA - the number 1 place in the world to live PERIOD... I must have a note written, signed and delivered by God himself

and before you hop down my throat...
I'm not racist.. I hate everyone equally *kisses*
cheers - Georgia

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posted 07-11-2005 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by capri man:
but david, 70boss made a general statement and you attacked him personally. not taking sides, just a general observation. has anyone ever considered the possibility that this movie was staged?? maybe everyone in it was in on the joke???


I agree with Mike, and that doesn't happen often.

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posted 07-11-2005 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you made my day, ron!!

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posted 07-11-2005 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not up for debates on morals or other questions on right and wrong. 68mustang351w took my post as racial (which was not the case) and called me a profane name (which was wrong IMHO). I am not a racist but I did react in kind to him basically calling me out and I will make no excuses for that. He made it personal, not me. I made a general statement that illegals (of all races) should not take away work from tax paying American citizens. I do support a persons need to feed their family but I do not support personal attacks based on judgement.

It is my opinion that 68mustang351w did his people no justice by starting a personal and making an inflammatory remark. I was making a political statement, he made a personal one. He says he is educated, but yet fails to see how he might be in error and offer a hint of being mistaken. I am not perfect and always right, but I know better than to call people a "f'n idiot". That is after he edited his post too!

We can all get along but not until we learn how to control our anger. Peace.

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posted 07-11-2005 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
amen brother!!!

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68mustang351w
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The video shows a man picking up "illegal" mexicans in his pick up truck. Driving fast over speed bumps to try to knock them off his truck then driving them over to the INS office and shouting "La migra" while they run through traffic in order to get away, risking their own lives and possible that of others. I dont see how any of that is either humorous or political, but you agreed with his actions and said we needed more people like him. You didnt make your political statement until well after i responded. What i saw was you agreeing with someone being a complete prick to a few members of a minority because they were Mexican. If i was black/white/asian i still would have said what i said, though i have to admit being Mexican probably makes me more sensitive to it. It actually took me 10 minutes to write those 4 words because i was hoping i might have missed something in the video that would change the meaning of what i saw and i wanted to cool down, but there wasnt. Since that moment on, ive known i could have been mistaken thats why on my subsequent message i said that if someone wanted to talk about it, they (i meant 70Boss302) could email me personally and handle it like real men, having a discussion, instead of using this forum as our soap box. If you still want to discuss this and "shake my hand" my email is lilmetzican @ hotmail.com. Oh and by the way, on the state level immigrants use up more money than they give BUT what they pay to the federal government more than makes up for what they use at a local level... David F.

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posted 07-11-2005 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70boss302   Click Here to Email 70boss302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why, 68mustang351w, w h y........would you expect me to reach out and E mail you when it was you who drew first blood? I didn't insult you, use profanity to try and make a point or take a simple sentence and stretch it's content to a thought never intended! I reacted to a personal attack. You reacted due to lack of comprehension and preconcieved notions.

Once again, you need to heed your own advice.
What is done is done and so is this subject and me, unless of course 68mustang351w cares to apologize for his outburst. Then it would only be fitting me to come back into this thread and post a similar reply. Peace and out.

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