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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 10-31-2005 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
This came to me in a email from Hemmings:

"Legislation
Michigan Hosts Database of Abandoned Cars
A new law enacted on October 1 could have a far-reaching effect on the old-car hobby. The Michigan Auto Lost and Found Web site, at services.sos.state.mi.us/autolostandfound is a database of abandoned vehicles searchable by anyone using VIN or plate numbers.
In theory, the Web site is a part of a large campaign to streamline the identification and removal of cars abandoned on roadsides or other public property, and on private property without owner's consent. But Michigan Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land's comments suggest a broader goal.
"Junk cars pose a safety threat, lower property values and are a blight on the landscape," said Land, who had campaigned on a promise to help communities clean up abandoned vehicles. "Residents, insurance agencies, banks or anyone with an interest can easily check to see if a vehicle is abandoned. I commend the Legislature, law enforcement and towing agencies for supporting a solution that will work to keep Michigan beautiful."
William Byers, Michigan Towing Association president, commended the law, saying it benefits towing agencies. Police agencies also may designate an agent, such as a towing company, to handle any tagging, removal, processing and auctioning of abandoned vehicles. The law also transfers the responsibility of notifying vehicle owners from police agencies to the Department of State.
The 30-day waiting period for impounded vehicles is eliminated, allowing law enforcement to deem them as abandoned within 24 hours. Furthermore, vehicles towed from private property are considered abandoned immediately, rather than in seven days, as required under the old law.
While this is an initiative designed specifically to address abandoned vehicles, such laws are often used by anti-hobby forces to force the removal of project cars from private property.
We advise Michigan residents to keep a close eye on any future amendments to Public Acts 493, 494 and 495.
- By David Traver Adolphus"

Dave Witthoeft
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posted 10-31-2005 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Witthoeft        Reply w/Quote
Something stinks like too much big brother.....

mustangs68
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posted 10-31-2005 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68        Reply w/Quote
"Lower property values and are a blight on the landscape"

Must be a Northern thing,here in the South if you park your abandon/borke down 5.0 next to your Trailer the property values go up and the yard looks better
Sam

Ci8UUP
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posted 10-31-2005 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ci8UUP        Reply w/Quote
This will be funny to watch the first time they try pulling a broken down car off a Native American's property.

Bob429
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posted 11-01-2005 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob429        Reply w/Quote
Guess I'd better stick my car back in the hunting lodge for the winter.

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sigtauenus
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posted 11-02-2005 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus        Reply w/Quote
So you got a car sitting beside the garage, they can take it away and declare it abandoned if you don't call them to report it missing within 24 hours? WTF?

Just so I understand this, if you go to Disney World for a week with the wife and kids, you could come home to find your classic car removed, declared abandoned and auctioned off before you even got a chance to notice it was gone, huh?

sigtauenus
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posted 11-02-2005 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus        Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, if they tow a supposedly abandoned vehicle off your private property, and you do manage to get ahold of it before its sold off, do you still have to pay the 80 bucks to have it towed back home again?

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-02-2005 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
That's my take on it. How this could be legal is beyond me. I'm glad all my cars are inside behind lock and key, even though I don't live there who knows what stupid ideas are in our legislators' pinheads.

I wonder why they don't do that for boats, RVs, snowmobiles, pink flamingos...

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MLariviere
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posted 11-02-2005 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere        Reply w/Quote
CArs are an easy target. They are everywhere,and plentiful.

68 Coop
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posted 11-03-2005 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
Sounds an awful lot like they are squeezing you for plates and insurance, if the car is driveable or not. That's a bunch of crap in my book.

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kenseth17
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posted 11-03-2005 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kenseth17        Reply w/Quote
We have crap like that in wisconsin. All vehicles are suppose to be tagged and registration up to date, or they can give a fine and remove the car from you property. I still haven't run into a problem, but my moms car was only outside in her driveway under a week without plates when she bought a new car, and the bastards fined her. Anything to get money out of people. Registration fees are getting ridicolous too. I'll have to find a good way to prevent any possible towing of my truck. Must be a good way to make it unmoveable and laugh at them when they try.

FordFlashback
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posted 11-03-2005 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FordFlashback        Reply w/Quote
quote:
a large campaign to streamline the identification and removal of cars abandoned on roadsides or other public property, and on private property without owner's consent.

I see abandoned cars along I-96 quite regularly, for days they sit there, doesn't sound like such a bad idea.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-03-2005 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Furthermore, vehicles towed from private property are considered abandoned immediately, rather than in seven days, as required under the old law.

How about this one?

By the way, welcome to M&M. You have an excellent web site.

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'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
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68 Coop
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posted 11-03-2005 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
Maybe these city employee's know about the classic car craze. They just want them for the auction, deal inside to win, and sell it for a huge profit.

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hwyman3
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posted 11-03-2005 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3        Reply w/Quote
We have something similar here in my county. You are allowed to have 1 untagged vehicle in view on your property. If it's behind a baracade fence or in a garage, then you can have as many as you want!

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FordFlashback
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posted 11-04-2005 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FordFlashback        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
How about this one?

By the way, welcome to M&M. You have an excellent web site.



Thanks Steve, you do as well!

As for the Mich law, I saw this new law on the Secretary of State site the other day, here's the link, http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1640_9150-128539--M_2005_10,00.html .

I guess if one has an abandoned "looking" car in the yard, might be best to at least have it registered and plated.

Does this one qualify? It's sure looks abandoned and it's in my backyard (in Michigan) lol. I wish they would come and get it. It's been there about a month, actually I'm surprised the neighbors and/or city haven't whined about it.

Ron

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-04-2005 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FordFlashback:

Does this one qualify? It's sure looks abandoned and it's in my backyard (in Michigan) lol. I wish they would come and get it. It's been there about a month, actually I'm surprised the neighbors and/or city haven't whined about it.

Ya done broke it!

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'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'05 Mercury Sable LS 3.0L DOHC 24V Duratech V6

FordFlashback
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posted 11-04-2005 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FordFlashback        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Ya done broke it!



It came to me broke actually, it took very little effort to split it into two. The steering gear was just laying there, the section of frame where it attaches was mia. Good old Michigan cancer lol.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-04-2005 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
As a Mainer, I can relate.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 Open
'70 Mustang Convertible 250 I6/3 speed/2.79 Open
'72 Mustang Sprint Hardtop 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'05 Mercury Sable LS 3.0L DOHC 24V Duratech V6

Ryan Wilke
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From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
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posted 11-13-2005 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke        Reply w/Quote
All this sounds like a scam put together by the Towing Association lobby groups to make the towing companies more $$$$$!!

http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1640_14837_23707_37655-123741--,00.html#pen

Unregistered abandoned scrap vehicle:

"Is abandoned, at least 7 years old, is inoperable or extensively damaged so that repairing the vehicle for safe operation exceeds the fair market value, and is not currently registered in Michigan or does not display current-year registration plates from another state."

...... What will be next? 7+ yr-old RVs, farm tractors, mobile homes, boats???

Ryan

MLariviere
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posted 11-14-2005 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MLariviere        Reply w/Quote
People should stop with the nimby concept and just mind their own business. Until then we need to speak up and be heard,or else they will take away everything we have,for our own good LOL.

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