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Topic: M-400 info please
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 11-30-2005 11:27 PM
Hey Gary (KULTULZ) What years was the M-400 available? Was it only 383 cubes? Thanks------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-01-2005 05:24 AM
The SUPER MARAUDER 3X2 400HP Engine was available in the 1958 MERC (APR 58 Intro) and the same basic performance package was released on the 58 LINC. The only difference was the air cleaner and thermostat housing. Supposedly (I haven't been able to confirm this yet) it was also released on the 59 BIRD. Optional on the MERC were cast aluminum rocker covers. LINC had chromed rocker covers, again optional. It was designed by Bill Stroppe and based on the LINC 430. ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-01-2005 06:37 PM
Last Thursday on Speed, there was a AMC marathon. During the Maurader episode, they did a segment from a noted restorer of Mercurys shop. (Don't recall his name) In the shop was a pale green 58 or 59 Montery 2 dr sedan being restored. Next to the car on a stand was a "M-400". He eluded that the engine was going into the car. He removed the air cleaner to display the carbs and began to discribe the motor's internals and history. It had the cast valve covers. He mentioned several times that it was a 383 cube motor. Not doubting you Gary, just asking, (so don't get your panties all in a bunch, or your crabs all backed up)is it possible that they also made a 383 inch version of that motor? They guy seemed to know what he was taling about as he also has a 427 Marauder.------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-02-2005 04:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker: AKA PIZZA SQUELCHER
I see my tenure here has not been appreciated and there are those that still doubt my knowledge... quote: He mentioned several times that it was a 383 cube motor.Not doubting you Gary, just asking, (so don't get your panties all in a bunch, or your crabs all backed up) is it possible that they also made a 383 inch version of that motor? They guy seemed to know what he was talking about as he also has a 427 Marauder.
I have studied MEL extensively since very few knew much about it, even those that actually own the cars. The SUPER MARAUDER package was designed by BILL STROPPE, a performance specialist hired by MERC DIV. Rumors had it that the 3X2 package was available only over the counter. I found that actually MERC did not release this option for assembly until APR 58. LINC also had their own version. It may be that this gentleman had a dealer option or kit on the 383. The 383 was MERC specific and came only in two ratings, 312HP and 330HP. The MERC 430 was rated at 360HP and this option brought the rating to 400. But this brings up something very interesting. On the MEL Forum, a gentleman discussed his father leaving him his 57 BIRD with a SUPER MARAUDER transplant. On pulling and disassembling he found that it was actually a 383 (short stroke). His father was a FORD tech and I alluded (before pulling the engine) that he may have found the engine in a MERC of that period. Funny thing, it had brite rocker covers (LINC option). As far as I know (and the documentation I have collected), The SUPER MARAUDER package only came through on the 430 (even had it's own door code on LINC/MERC). But unlike certain others, I have learned to never say never concerning FOMOCO. I wish I had Speed Channel to see the episode. ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum- [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-02-2005).] My CRS is rapidly over taking me. I believe it may be terminal... [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-02-2005).]
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-06-2005 11:47 AM
Thanks Gary. I <b>never</b> doubted you oh great crabby one. When they rerun the episode (which they will around Christmas time) I'll be sure to tape it for you and send you a copy. You may have even heard of the guy. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-06-2005 12:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker:Thanks Gary. I never doubted you oh great crabby one.
OH CONTRAIRE MEIN HAIR! THE PIZZA BANDITO further states; quote: When they rerun the episode (which they will around Christmas time) I'll be sure to tape it for you and send you a copy.You may have even heard of the guy.
I would really appreciate that Alex. Like I said, I have been studying MEL and the LINC Y-BLOCK for a couple of years now and I usually come across something new everyday. Further Clarification: quote: But this brings up something very interesting. On the MEL Forum, a gentleman discussed his father leaving him his 57 BIRD with a SUPER MARAUDER transplant. On pulling and disassembling he found that it was actually a 383 (short stroke). His father was a FORD tech and I alluded (before pulling the engine) that he may have found the engine in a MERC of that period. Funny thing, it had brite rocker covers (LINC option).
This BIRD did not have the OEM air cleaner asm. with it. There are subtle differences between the MERC and LINC air cleaner assemblies. It had chromed rocker covers (indicative of a LINC engine- may also have been aftermarket as these were offered by a LINC parts vendor until recently). MERC optinal covers were cast aluminum. So it is hard to say at this date where the engine origionally came from and how it was assembled. It also used a HD 3/S (WARNER) instead of a 4/S WARNER or TOP LOADER. So that makes it a time piece conversion (late fifties). ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum- [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-06-2005).] NOTE; Reason For Edit - Poor Cut And Paste Technique... [This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 12-06-2005).]
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-06-2005 12:27 PM
-Recent Thread On 57 MONTEREY M335 Race Car--Further Discussion- ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-08-2005 11:27 PM
It was on again tonight so I taped it for you Gary. Along with some bonus footage. He definatly said that the M-400 was a 383 cuber. E-mail me your address again and I'll get it in the mail asap. From Lyons with Love. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-09-2005 01:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker:E-mail me your address again and I'll get it in the mail asap. From Lyons with Love.
Think maybe you can stuff the pizza you owe me in the same box? Make it with extra oregano. I know how you Yankees are... ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-09-2005 09:41 AM
You'll get the tape, but I believe you are mistaken on who owes whom? My lovely Beth just loves crab cakes. I may include some snow as we do have plenty to share. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-11-2005 10:52 PM
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/005579.html------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-12-2005 10:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker:[URL=https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/005579.html][/URL]
THANX FOR THE HEADS-UP ALEX! Fascinating. Can you imagine this thing in a 57 FORD CUSTOM? Unfortunately, it will be far out of my price range... ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-12-2005 02:35 PM
We can always dream can't we? Tape is on the way to crabbytown via USPS. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 3835 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-14-2005 02:21 PM
Gary,Is this for the 430? I stumbled upon it some how. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7993949543&category=33741
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-14-2005 04:34 PM
That is a BONA FIDE MEL WEIAND "TYPHOON" 671 GMC Intake Manifold MIDWEST AUTO SPECIALTIES $71.95 ------------------ I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968. Also older FORD Special Service Tools -MEL Engine Forum-
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-14-2005 05:12 PM
What year was that price from Gary? 1959? ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 3835 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 12-14-2005 08:05 PM
The guy in the auction did a buy it now for $850.
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 12-21-2005 04:20 PM
Gary, did you get the tape?------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 01-03-2006 11:49 AM
Gary, did you get eaten by a giant crab? ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
[This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 01-03-2006).]
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TomP Gearhead Posts: 6376 From: Delta BC Canada Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-08-2006 01:36 AM
Looks like the guy that bought the blower intake is probably Travis Perrenot's brother. They ran a blown gas 430 in 1959 and the early 60's. Travis passed away a couple years back (RIP) but told me the engines were nearly indestructible and they got over 500 cubes with an overbore and offset ground crank.
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 01-10-2006 03:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moneymaker:Gary, did you get eaten by a giant crab?
The strangest thing happened... The wife sent me to the store for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk and when I returned she had moved... I got the tape OK...Thanx! Been fixing on the house and had the computer disconnected for awhile. What the guy was describing was the MARAUDER series of engines in the 1958 MERCURY, beginning with the 383 (he stated 330HP but there was also a 312HP) and going up to the 400HP SUPER MARAUDER. Another guy also stated the S-55 was a street released race car but actually it was a high trim level denoting bucket seats and floor shift as was the FORD GALAXY 500 XL. Very interesting program but I guess it was rushed and there were a few mistakes made. ------------------ Am Looking For Factory/Aftermarket Speed Parts For The MEL (MERC-EDSEL-LINC-TBIRD) Engine Family (383-410-430-462) Produced From 1958 To 1968 Also Early FORD Special Service Tools -Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln- [img]http://www.gofastforless.com/junk/mercury.gif[/img][img]http://www.squarebirds.org/images/tbird_symbol.gif[/img]
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 01-17-2006 11:03 AM
Yeah Gary, the S-55 guy was full of crap.------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 03-26-2006 04:35 AM
quote: S-22, S-33, S-55 These three Mercury names refer to the high-line series in the Mercury Comet, Mercury Meteor, and full-size Mercury cars. Technically, the correct name for the 1962 S series cars were Mercury Comet Special, Mercury Meteor Special, and Mercury Monterey Special. However they were never marketed using those names. The Mercury Comet S-22 was offered from 1961 to 1963. The Mercury Meteor S-33 was offered in 1962 and 1963. The Mercury S-55 was offered in 1962, 1963, and 1966; it was an optional Sports Package offered on the 1967 Monterey 2-door hardtop and convertible. The S-22, S-33, and S-55 all featured bucket seats, console, and special trim. The 1966 Mercury S-55 (and 1967 package) had a 428-cubic inch V-8 engine as standard equipment. See also: Ford 7-Litre.
From -LOVE FORDS- ------------------ Am Looking For Factory/Aftermarket Speed Parts For The MEL (MERC-EDSEL-LINC-TBIRD) Engine Family (383-410-430-462) Produced From 1958 To 1968 Also Early FORD Special Service Tools -Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln- [img]http://www.gofastforless.com/junk/mercury.gif[/img][img]http://www.squarebirds.org/images/tbird_symbol.gif[/img]
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68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 3835 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-04-2006 07:28 PM
here is an Edelbrock 3X2 intake! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-66-383-430-462-Edelbrock-Tri-Power-L300-Intake_W0QQitemZ4628070275QQcategoryZ10076QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 29200 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 04-05-2006 08:10 PM
You spend <b>way</b> too much time on E-bay. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05 First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99 First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03 IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!" Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" www.moneymakerracing.com
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68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 3835 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-08-2006 04:06 PM
Always searching for a deal and checking what else the people are selling when an item comes up in a search.
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 06-17-2006 12:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by KULTULZ:The SUPER MARAUDER 3X2 400HP Engine was available in the 1958 MERC (APR 58 Intro) and the same basic performance package was released on the 58 LINC. The only difference was the air cleaner and thermostat housing. Supposedly (I haven't been able to confirm this yet) it was also released on the 59 BIRD.
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TomP Gearhead Posts: 6376 From: Delta BC Canada Registered: Dec 99
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posted 07-24-2006 04:35 PM
I heard from Brian Perrenot today... "Tom, I was looking at the Mustangs and More forum and saw that in the "more intake options for the MEL engine" part, you mentioned my brother Travis Perrenot." "We in fact did run the MEL engines, although back then we weren't aware that they were called MEL engines, we just called them 430's. We raced them both unblown as well as blown and on gas as well as nitro. In fact I am in the process now of re-creating our old AA Fuel Comp Coupe & Sedan car. This car is the one in which we won the 1961 AHRA World Nationals in AA Gas Comp Coupe & Sedan with at Green Valley, Texas and runner upped in the AA Fuel class the next year. If anyone is interested, I can answer a few million questions concerning the 383/410/430 MEL. " How cool is that?
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KULTULZ Gearhead Posts: 959 From: Rockville, MD Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 07-25-2006 01:57 AM
Please ask him to look at the MEL ENGINE FORUM. There are about a thousand questions I need the answers to... ------------------ Am Looking For Factory/Aftermarket Speed Parts For The MEL (MERC-EDSEL-LINC-TBIRD) Engine Family (383-410-430-462) Produced From 1958 To 1968 Also Early FORD Special Service Tools -Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln- Forum-
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