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Moneymaker
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posted 12-01-2004 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What engine was a "P" code in 1956?

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posted 12-01-2004 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like a 312 when looking at a 'Bird's plate, according to these guys.

http://www.tbird.org/DataPlate/cdata.htm

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-02-2004 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.
There are 3 different "P" possibilities.
Car is a 56 Sunliner convert with a stick.
It was supposed to be a 2-4V car.
In a barn with no intake or valve covers now.
Stuff may be in the trunk?
Trying to get more info before I make the trip up to look at it.

I don't know if the T-Bird codes are applicable.
This looks like a question for Gary.

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Bob Hopkins
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posted 12-02-2004 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Hopkins   Click Here to Email Bob Hopkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
P= 312" in 56 , my M code is 292" I think In pass cars there was only 2 312 4 barrels stick and auto with different H/P ratings and the 2/4 setup was dealer installed NASCAR stuff. I'll bet it was a fun ride new.

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KULTULZ
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posted 12-02-2004 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:

I don't know if the T-Bird codes are applicable.

This looks like a question for Gary.


Oh? ...Are WE still speaking?

P was 312 for both FORD and TBIRD. As Bob mentioned, there were two HP ratings, both 4V. [email protected] 4600RPM (8.4 CR -Manual Trans) and [email protected] 4600RPM (9.0 CR -FOM).

There was a Power Pack 2 4V kit released for NASCAR. I don't know if it was the exact same kit (or if offered in full kit form) as the MERC 260 Kit. It has a different PN for the intake (I think) and the air cleaners are completely different.

-FORD Y-BLOCK Intake Manifold Description-

(The actual photo of the EDB 9425-C (Casting Number) missing.)

Here is the FORD air cleaner asm. for the option;

It would be hard to document the option installation as well as find the parts. But a 1956 SUNLINER 312? Lot of car there...

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Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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posted 12-02-2004 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary, we can always talk.
That is one of the beauty parts of this site.

Thanks for the info.
It might be worth investigating further.
It is supposed to be covered, but rodent infested.

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posted 12-02-2004 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
It might be worth investigating further.
It is supposed to be covered, but rodent infested.


I hope you mean only animals, and not Chevy engines...

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KULTULZ
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posted 12-02-2004 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,

Here is a top shot of the intake;

...and the air cleaner shown above is available re-pro.

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-02-2004 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Gary.
We got the P from the serial number.
I've seen dozens of Y block dual quad set ups. Funky first generation Holley 4V carbs and all.
I've even worked on a "E" series 57 T-Bird so I have some familiarity with them.
It is still unknown if and what is in the trunk of this bomb.
I am told it was driven in during the 70's to remove the induction and replace it with something more economical. SO the story goes anyway. It does have some functional shorty lake pipes, and has been converted to a floor shift based on what has been reported so far.
They are going to move the tarps and some of the rodent nests out of the way to try and take some pics.
There are keys so they will try and get into the trunk.
No digital camera or computer so I will ship them my good old Polaroid with some film and see what we shall see.

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KULTULZ
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Here is a factory release photo of the 56 MERC M260 setup. See how far the rear carb sits on the intake? This was changed in 57 E-CODE production due to the new distributor clearance.

This manifold also is made for the smaller intake runners of the 56 cyl. heads.

The intakes must be the same for both lines as they both had the rear carb sitting further back.

Wonder how much one is worth?

Anyways, if you find something neat, remember it is nice to share photos with friends...

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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Bob Hopkins
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IT has always puzzeled me the H/P rating difference between auto and stick,there is no real difference between the twoengines?

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Bob Hopkins
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posted 12-03-2004 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Hopkins   Click Here to Email Bob Hopkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*#@*&# computers I think it will be a neet ride and a money pit as are all old cars,ita stick floor shift? A late 4-5 speed behind the "y-block" and the 2/4's will make it fun.You can run the "teapots" or find Carter WCFB's or adpt with AFB's,

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posted 12-03-2004 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KULTULZ:

Here is a factory release photo of the 56 MERC M260 setup. See how far the rear carb sits on the intake? This was changed in 57 E-CODE production due to the new distributor clearance.


Guess it would help to include the photo...


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KULTULZ
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posted 12-03-2004 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Hopkins:

IT has always puzzeled me the H/P rating difference between auto and stick,there is no real difference between the two engines?


The CR Bob. More HP to overcome the drag of the auto trans.

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posted 12-07-2004 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sent off camera and film.

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