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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-02-2004 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is famous for building Deuces, and I was reading that while he'll build a car with about any engine a customer prefers, he strongly favors putting Fords in Fords.

Now that's thinking!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-02-2004 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's running a good average in his completed cars, only 2 engines out of 11 are non-Fords on this page:

http://www.roybriziostreetrods.com/complete.htm


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Fastymz
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posted 08-02-2004 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very so good to see Fords in Fords.

This one does it for me,

http://www.roybriziostreetrods.com/Eldredge.htm

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-02-2004 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, that's a nice one. I'd love to have a bright orange '32 Highboy with a 408 stroker...

...and a '32 Sedan, and a '32 3 window, and a '40 Ford, and a '48 Anglia, and a...

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Mooney
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posted 08-02-2004 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooney   Click Here to Email Mooney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a concept though.. a Ford in a Ford.. whudda thunk it?

Always got under my skin. When I first started learning about cars. It was bad enough trying to tell the difference between cars that were 40-60 years before my time. And then them having the wrong engines in them just confused matters even more.

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posted 08-03-2004 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like it or not, the OHV concept in early Fords really took off with the small block Chev for a few reasons. 1,They fit better. Over 40 years ago, Yeah, am an oldy, a friend toasted the flathead in his 48 Ford cv. Went into Chicago and came back with a not to old Chev engine. On the way back, he stopped at a speed shop, got an adapter, etc. Within a week that car was back on the road with an engine that went like hell, with a 39 trans with Lincoln gears, was dependable, and didn't weigh that much more than the flathead. And it was a good fit. Never forget the fun in driving that car from Iowa City to outside Chicago. He drove that car for several years as a driver until the Illinois rust got an upper hand. At that time, the other choice was a Y block. They were just not that good a deal, lb. for lb. as the Chev. (back then) That was just one early example of a Chev in a Ford.

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posted 08-03-2004 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course if he had put a Ford y-block in the old transmission would have blown.

I resent that assertion that Chevy motors were better than y-blocks. I owned a modified y-block engine in a heavy car (54 Merc) that never lost a race to a small block chevy (or a big block for that matter). As for size, I am not sure, but I don't think there was much difference.

I think the idea that any Chevy anywhere was or is better than a Ford is just plain wrong. The suposed idea of Bow tie supremecy was fostered by the California magazines that all were decidedly pro GM.

The fastest car from Detroit in 1957 was a Ford. The blown 312 could defeat anything GM threw at it.

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Of course if he had put a Ford y-block in the old transmission would have blown.

I resent that assertion that Chevy motors were better than y-blocks. I owned a modified y-block engine in a heavy car (54 Merc) that never lost a race to a small block chevy (or a big block for that matter). As for size, I am not sure, but I don't think there was much difference.

I think the idea that any Chevy anywhere was or is better than a Ford is just plain wrong. The suposed idea of Bow tie supremecy was fostered by the California magazines that all were decidedly pro GM.

The fastest car from Detroit in 1957 was a Ford. The blown 312 could defeat anything GM threw at it.

John


i agree 100%. the 312 fits in nicely! my 34 has a cleveland in it. a SMALL clearance issue with the drivers side header & steering linkage to fit it in. i know of a couple chebby powered rods that spent many times over the $50.00 to reroute 1 exhaust tube for the needed clearance!!! JUST MY 2 CENTS.

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posted 08-09-2004 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't get me wrong-at least not totally (lol!). I love small block Fords, but the y block was just not as easy a fit as the base small block Chev. Plus, there was more stuff available for tje Chevs. .

As for the 312, notice you made mention of blown. Would have gladly gone up against a carbed 312 with a 270 hp 283 Chev circa 57, the one with the Duntov cam and 2 fours.

Just last nite, reading a back issue of M&Fords or MMonthly, and Jim Smart talked about the 390 as a poor match for a 396 Chev. And that was true. Witness the start of the Cobra Jet era when Ford, in 1968, got the suds needed to beat the Chevs, thanks to Bob Tasca of Tasca Ford, in RI.

True story: One fateful nite, got into a zero to top end race against a '55 Chev. Was driving same,'55 210 2dr, powerpacked 265 with a glide, We were being chased by a Ford interceptor 2 dr wagon with the 312 engine. DuPage County Sheriff's Police) Didn't know he was even back there there until I saw the lite. I slowed, pulled over and the other guy ran-caught in a road block. Try a 225 fine in 1957! (Probably a grand today!} Going before the magistrate in a "special session" that nite in Villa Park, Ill. the cop told the judge that " they were pulling away. This guy saw the lite (me) and pulled over. This guy (pointing to an ol' high school buddy!) ran!!" His fine was exactly double mine!! And this put an untimely end to my "racing Career"! Went back to school with a 6 cyl Plymouth! Oh!! the indignity of it all!! lol!

On the top end, am sure the cop would have caught up-he was dressing up his case! A 312 on the top end would have been faster.

During my "racing career", seldom went to top end, usually into 1/4 mile races. Couple different roads had markers that the racers put up! I never got beat by any Ford or Mopar in that era, 55-58. The glide car seemed to be the best combo as most guys couldn't shift a 3 speed (many on the column) at the right points.

Guys with blowers were rare on the street. We were running street cars that were also our back seat bedrooms! LOL!

Early Fords and up through 49-51's received Chevs and, like it or not, it was a nice combo. It was during this time frame that Chevs became the main choice of rodders and guess they held onto it. Don't read the rod mags anymore but would think that Ford MORE than holds their own today. I NEVER cared for Camaros!

Funny!! I go to cruise nites and am drawn to Mustangs, muscle cars and vintage 50 cars and trucks. But seldom look at 55 Chevs. Thanks God, they lost their allure after that nite a long time ago! Still like five-sevens, though. And I think that the nosed, black 56 Ford at the head of this site is one beautiful car! That car just looks and sits RIGHT! Funny!! back then, a five-six Chev was socially incorrect! (to my crowd)
Just the rantings of an ol' f*rt a little gray at the muzzle! Hope I didn't P*** off anyone! Well, not too much!

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posted 08-09-2004 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not Pi$$ed off but I totally disagree with you about Chevy supremecy. I dont think there was much difference in size between 283 and 312 motors. There wasn't much aftermarket stuff available in the 50's so it was no harder to swap a 312, in fact most of the swap stuff was to put Olds motors in because they were the motor of choice before Chevy finally got on the V8 bandwagon.

In 55 and 56 the cars ran almost side by side in terms of performance. In 57 Chevy went to the FI motor and Ford decided to use a blower. In fact you could get a 312 with one four, two fours, one four and a blower, and two fours with a blower. You can't ignore the blown car, it was a production motor. Unfortunatly Ford didn't advertise these motors and a lot of buyers were ignorant of them so not a lot were sold.

Maybe there weren't a lot of blown 312's on the street but contrast that with the 409 Chevy. Two of my friends tried to buy them and were told they were not available to the general public.

As for the 390 vs the 396 (402). For some reason most Ford guys never used that motor much but it runs right with the 396 and held several records back in the day. But if you go to the strip now I think the 390 is probably the most used FE and they are very competitive.

The only area where GM did a better job than Ford was in high performance small blocks. Ford thought all performance cars should be big blocks and only made two half hearted attempts to sell high performance small blocks. The 271 hp 289 and the Boss 302 were nice motors but both were shortchanged by Ford's fear of small block warranty issues.

And finally, my 312 (340) was carbed not blown and no Chevy even came close to beating it. Of course it was not stock, in those days of street racing (no track) the only rule was run what you brung and hope you brung enough. The GM guys never brung enough.

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posted 08-10-2004 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,

What I don't understand is where are all the CHEVS and MOPARS of that era? If you want a SBC for power, why don't they find a CHEV body.

Now. When I see anything FORD that is powered by GM, I simply walk away. But I fully understand the reason(s) that it is done. Most are not FORD fanatics. They want a nice looking car that runs good and doesn't cost a fortune to power. The SBC is easier and cheaper to sit into something like that, it's just simple fact.

FORD made a terrible mistake letting CHEV get around them in 1955 with the introduction of the SBC. Ford took until 1962 to counter it, and it's first attempts were pretty bad.

The Y-Block was an interim engine. It didn't even get to it's full potential before FORD replaced it. And whoever thought of those intake port designs should be flogged also.

Even when I was young and had endless '57's, the first thing you did was loose the 292/312 and find an FE.

If I had to have a Y, I'd rather have a LINC Y...

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posted 08-11-2004 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now KULTULZ is ragging on the 312. The 312 was a fine motor, Ford just changed to a better (FE) design for their big motors and (221) small motors. 55 and 56 Fords were just as fast as 55 and 56 Chevies. Chevy just advertised a little beter performance package. Ford has a long history of creating performance items that are never advertised.

All of you who think the SBC (small block Chevy) offers a cheaper or better swap motor are out of touch with the current offerings. I think there are more Ford aftermarket parts now than SBC parts. The FSB (Ford amall block) is lighter and smaller than the SBC and can match the off brand in HP.

In no part of this am I saying anything nice about the Triton engine. It is only being hotrodded because Ford is pushing it very hard in the Fun Ford Weekend series.

John

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posted 08-11-2004 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Except you can still buy a GM crate engine for about $1250 and the cheapest Ford crate engine is about twice that.

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posted 08-11-2004 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In no part of this am I saying anything nice about the Triton engine. It is only being hotrodded because Ford is pushing it very hard in the Fun Ford Weekend series.

Have you ever sat down and thought how much just a cam upgrade would cost in a SOHC/DOHC? How much you would gave to have in special service tools?

The Y was just as competitive in the fifties as the SBC, but the fact remains it (SBC) is the cheapest easiest way to go. And believe me, it hurts to say it...

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posted 08-12-2004 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I am guilty of not looking at crate prices. I enjoy building the engines from scratch and usually root around for parts and then put the engine together. My current engine will use an 85 T-bird motor that I got for $100 and some GT40P heads that I bought for $150. I do my own rebuilds so I have $1000 to spend to equal the cost of that GM crate. I also got an Edelbrock Performer RPM and a 750 Holley off of ebay for $150 and $100 respectively. So now I am down to $750 for a rebuild kit, cam and machine work. It will be interesting to see if I can come in under the $1250 limit.

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posted 08-12-2004 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are a machinist right? So you are at a great advantage for that. Most of us end up spending alot for machine work. Heck, I'd be happy to spend only $1250 with my machinist.

I was just proffering that as a reason for all the GM engines in Ford rods.

I agree with the notion that the guys using GM engines should be using GM cars, and Mopar should go Mopar.

Brand loyalty has gone out the window these days and I think that sucks.

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quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:

Brand loyalty has gone out the window these days and I think that sucks.


Along with honesty, and trust and doing business on a hand shake. I too think it SUCKS

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Along with honesty, and trust and doing business on a hand shake. I too think it SUCKS




You can still find a rare few that are good like that. The clutch guy that my familys always used has been in business for probably 35+ years. And he's always helpful as ever and makes sure that you leave a happy customer and always with a new tidbit of knowledge. But it is a shame that most everyones out to screw someone else over nowadays.

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posted 08-12-2004 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't that the truth.

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wow, quite a few of those cars are in my neighborhood

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