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KULTULZ
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posted 04-14-2004 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some may find this discussion on another board interesting;

http://www.y-blocksforever.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=523

Seems LINCOLN used the GM HYRDAMATIC on their Y-Blocks from 52/55. This was a 4 spd. that was popular in Hot Rodding in the early days.

Does anyone here have more information to offer?

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-14-2004 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Pan American Lincoln race cars used the 4 speed hydramatic.
Timmy is pretty much right on with all of his statements Gary.
The GM hydro was the "standard" for the industry. GM had the capability to produce enough units to supply any manufacturer who had a check book including some of the sports car producers such as Briggs Cunningham.
FoMoCo was suffering post war growing and transition pains at the time.
HF II and the whiz kids felt that it was cheaper to buy proven automatic transmissions for their higher line, low production cars than spend money developing them.
BW was also working feverishly to develope "universal" transmissions for the industry.
The GM hydramatic plant fire really forced the issue.

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KULTULZ
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posted 04-14-2004 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Pan American Lincoln race cars used the 4 speed hydramatic.

AHA! That woke me up. I was under the impression they ran standard transmissions. Now I have a reference source.

I wasn't disagreeing with Tim's presentation regarding transmission useage, as I am fully aware that the FOM is basically a GM design, but the fact that LINCOLN hired many GM designers during that period and that is where LINC got a lot of GM flavor, such as the ball joint suspension as opposed to FORD's still using pins. It also carried over the engine design. I was just not in the mood to argue the point.

After all, I am a lover...

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BornInAFord
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posted 04-15-2004 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brother has a 4spd hydromatic in his 54 Capri HT with 48k--the car isn't running and hasn't been since 1961 (Chico, California car, so rust free, but rats got to the front leather seats and the heat didn't help either). Good, strong tranny, and IIRC, his doesn't have a torque converter, so he has a 1:1 in 4th without slippage... But I thought that the Ford version, a 3spd auto, came out for the 1955 model year.
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Moneymaker
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posted 04-15-2004 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary would know for sure, but I am pretty sure that Ford began using their own (B/W design) automatics in 1955.

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Alex Denysenko
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KULTULZ
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posted 04-16-2004 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LINC used the HYDRADRAMATIC from 49/54 and went to a heavier version of the FORD-O-MATIC in 1955. It then went to a heavier version of the CRUISE-O-MATIC in 1958.

I can see now a dual carbed 368 with a HYDRO-STICK in a '32 Coupe...

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posted 04-16-2004 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KULTULZ:
LINC used the HYDRADRAMATIC from 49/54 and went to a heavier version of the FORD-O-MATIC in 1955. It then went to a heavier version of the CRUISE-O-MATIC in 1958.

I can see now a dual carbed 368 with a HYDRO-STICK in a '32 Coupe...


See, the "old guy" came through for us again.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl

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posted 04-22-2004 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saw a <b> complete </b> Lincoln hydro and bell housing up at JPT's yesterday waiting it's turn for a rebuild.
It was sitting next to a Hudson Twin H hydro and bell housing also waiting for new life. WOW!
Boy are those things HEAVY!

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Alex Denysenko
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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KULTULZ
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posted 08-13-2004 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need to correct a statement that I previously have made. Borg-Warner was not a part of or affiliated with GM. Borg-Warner designed the FOM for FORD in 1950. For some reason I confused BW with Detroit Transmission Division of GM (supplier to LINC of the HYDRA-MATIC)(it may be as a result of the BW T-10 thinking it was part of GM). Sorry if I caused any confusion.

-The Great HYDRA-MATIC Fire of 1953-

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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