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Topic: Tranny Questions
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Custom300
Journeyman Posts: 2
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Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 03-17-2004 09:55 PM
   
I am installing a351W in my 58 Custom 300, I would like to keep the three on the tree. Does anyone know if the stock three speed behind a six will take the torque of the 351W? I've also debated on using a latermodel truck 3sp tranny? Will a clutch for a 292 fit the six cylinder 3 Speed?Also, I am looking for a 58 Custom 300 deck lid???
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 22090
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-17-2004 10:58 PM
Welcome to M&M  !
Your old FoMoCo 3 speed will hold up as long as you don't beat on it. A 67 up fully syncronized unit would be much stronger. It's basically a baby top loader and they are dirt cheap everywhere.
The clutch depends on the trans you ultimatly choose and the flywheel you get for the 351. Any 1 1/16 ten spline disc will fit the later trans input. I believe that the 58 trans has a fine spline if memory serves. It's been a long time since I saw one of those. Somebody will come along to veryfy that. Regardless, if you get the correct diameter flywheel, you can use the early trans and clutch.
Sorry, I can't help with the deck lid.
There are fiber glass replicas available.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
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Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1317
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-17-2004 11:37 PM
Welcome, Custom 300!Like Alex said, the later full syncro 3 speed toploader is a much better unit than the old late 50`s "break boxes"! I`ve blown several of the early 3 speeds with worn out Y blocks, I sure wouldn`t want one behind a 351. Many years ago, I swapped the stock 3 speed from my272 Y block 57 Custom sedan, with the 3 speed toploader, much stronger, & smoother. It`s been almost 30 years now, but I seem to recall I used the same 10 spline clutch as the stock trans, as well as the same driveshaft. Personally, I`d perfer a 4 speed, or a T5 5speed, but the T5 is borderline for a 351 in a heavier car.As for the trunk lid, like front fenders, very tough to find nice 58 sheet metal. My buddy has 3 58`s (several 57`s too)and he`s been looking for good trunk lids for a while now.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. 13.04@101mph
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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Bob Hopkins
Gearhead Posts: 295
From: BRIDGEPORT NJ USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-18-2004 10:10 AM
There is a bone ward out in Arizona {Desert Valley auto I believe} that seems to have a lot of mid 50's Foed cars to be parted out{can't git my search to work on my puter}
I remember thelate 50's-early 60's Fords having a 1" 23 spline clutch My T-10 out of 63 Ford has that splineand the T-85 3 speed I had in my lod 56 had that for when I went from the T-85 to the T-10 I don't remember having disk changes ,But its been 40+ years and I tend to have senior moments Too{were was I????
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 484
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 03-18-2004 01:56 PM
Yeah, you definitely want the 3.03 3/S with first synchronized, unless your 3/S is an O/D.They started appearing in 1963 so shouldn't be that hard to find. Matching the correct clutch disc is no biggie. -1957 Ford Manual Transmission Differences- quote:
"According to the '57 shop manual Ford used 4 different transmissions in 1957. All the conventional (non O/D) trannys were side access covers that had the straight bottom edge to the cover. These trannys had different ratios for different engine displacements, with the lowest 1st gear ratios for the smallest engines.
3-SPD TRANSMISSION GEAR RATIOS 6-cyl 1) 2.84 2) 1.61 3) 1.00 R) 3.37
8-cyl (292) 2.40 2) 1.19 3) 1.00 R) 2.86 This will give you an idea of how a 6-cyl trans was geared lower than an 8-cyl, so you would want something out of a 63/ 352/390 for the longer tailshaft and proper gearing. I know the above description is for a '57, but I doubt there was very little change for '58. The 3/S ratios for the 272 and 312 were different also. For the main part, the transmissions were the same. Where the strength factor comes in is with one with a first lower gear ratio as more teeth that are on the gear to move the less HP car, the less torque it is able to absorb. Like the T-5. The 5.0L is stronger than the 2.3L only because it has a lesser count first gear.
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 484
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 03-19-2004 09:45 AM
-Old Car Finders-Salvage Yards-Maybe you can find a deck lid in one of these yards...
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Bob Hopkins
Gearhead Posts: 295
From: BRIDGEPORT NJ USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-19-2004 10:11 AM
I got my search workin, if you look the had severak 57-58http://www.dvap.com/partscars/gmc/gmc.htm
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 22090
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-19-2004 10:49 AM
Ah Gary, I knew we could count on your input and expertise. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,& '04
First SS/MA in the TENS!
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Bob Hopkins
Gearhead Posts: 295
From: BRIDGEPORT NJ USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-19-2004 11:08 AM
I just looked at there web site {New cars in yard} they hav a good lookin 58 Ford rear view with diesent lookin deck lid
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KULTULZ
Gearhead Posts: 484
From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 03-19-2004 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:Ah Gary, I knew we could count on your input and expertise.
Well...You know me...Gotta get every little detail...  You guys ever seen a 58 with a 57 front end? Used to be one around here when I was in High School (WATCH IT!). One nice looking ride.
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