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KULTULZ
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posted 02-01-2004 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is from another forum. I thought I would bring it hear in case anyone would be interested;

-Discussion of EDSEL E-400 Engine-

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-02-2004 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You <b> do </b> know that there was a HD 361 FE truck engine too don't you?
It was introduced about that time for F-600 and up trucks.
A sister to the 391HD.

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KULTULZ
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posted 02-02-2004 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Gotcha Again!

The 330/361/391 FT Series was introduced in 1964 mainly to replace the 302/332 LINCOLN Y-BLOCK HD engines and the 292HD Y-BLOCK.

Most confuse this EDSEL only engine with the light truck 360 that cam in the mid-sixties (even though it is basically the same engine-bore and stroke).

Another point of confusion is that there were three engine series released in 1958;

  • FE (332/352/361)
  • MEL (383/410/430
  • SuperDuty (401/477/534)

How was ORLANDO?

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

[This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 02-02-2004).]

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KULTULZ
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posted 02-02-2004 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dummy! Instead of editing my post I quoted myself...

Explanation below...

[This message has been edited by KULTULZ (edited 02-02-2004).]

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KULTULZ
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posted 02-02-2004 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Don't ask me what I did. You'll have to excuse me as a 430 TRI-POWER just went off e-bay for $900.00 and I missed it. It has to be tears in my eyes...soon to be tears in my beer.

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-03-2004 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew it was back in the old days some time, just not sure of the exact year. AS little before my time you know.

391 HD truck crank with a turned down and shortened snout is an old FE racers trick.
All were steel with fully groved mains.

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Alex Denysenko
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KULTULZ
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posted 02-03-2004 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheap man's 390hp/406/427...

Don't forget the 361 crank giving 396ci. in a 4.23" bore. That thing would wind all day...

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-03-2004 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those cranks are bringing premium prices these days too.

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Alex Denysenko
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IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28

The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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Rory McNeil
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posted 06-26-2004 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must of missed this post earlier. Here in Canada, our engine choices were often quite different than the US cars. For example, the Canadian 58 & 59 Fords & Meteors were available with the 361 4 barrel engine, however the 352 was not. As well, Canadian 59 Fords & Meteors were not available with any 272-292 Y block engines, only the 223 6 cyl., & either a 332 2 barrel or 361 4 barrel FE`s. Also, up here, the 332 was still available in 60 & 61, while it was only used in 58 & 59 in the US. A few other examples: we didn`t get the "all new" Y block V8 in 54, as the US did, Canadian Fords were available with the flathead V8 for 54, with the Y block coming out in 55, as a 272 only. In 56, we also got the 292, but the only year that the 312 was available in a Ford was 57, however the 56& 57 Monarch (Canadian version of the full size Mercury, including just over 500 Monarch "Turnpike Cruisers")did get the 312. We couldn`t get a full size Ford with a 289 until 66, the standard V8 in 64 &65 was the 352 2barrel. Kinda strange, huh?

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KULTULZ
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posted 06-27-2004 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fascinating reading Rory. I was not aware that there was that much of a difference.

To have a Hot Rod FORD in those days, it was easier to go to CAN and buy a 361.

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Bob Hopkins
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posted 07-02-2004 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Hopkins   Click Here to Email Bob Hopkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 361" Edsel engine is what got me started on this path,Way back in 1964 In the Air force {Abiline Texas} I boughta 1956 Fairlane with a 361" Edsel engine. A"friend was supposed to do a bearing job to pay me the money he owed me,I endided up with the engine dissabmbled and in trunk when I was TDY.I was goina make a 390" same bore size as 361"and was talking to friend at local Ford dealer and he made me a deal a brand new 427" short block for $400.00 ,not much now ,but at time I was makin $200.00a month in the Airforce. I dropped it into the 56and that was my daily driver untill 67 when I got out.

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KULTULZ
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posted 08-13-2004 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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KULTULZ
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posted 03-18-2005 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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posted 03-18-2005 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Alex Denysenko
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First SS/MA in the TENS!
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Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28

The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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