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skips69
Gearhead

Posts: 320
From: Catlin, IL USA
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 11-15-2003 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pop's just brought home a 1950 Ford F1 pick-up. Currently it still retains the original flathead V8, 3 spd trans, original rear axle assy, 6 volt charging system, interior, etc. On a good note, it came from Texas several years back and hasn't yet seen any of these midwest winters - so the body is solid still (paint is faded, some dings). The old engine is a smoker though and who knows how many miles are on it. Also, can't seem to get the transmission to shift into 3rd gear. One option would be to rebuild it I guess, but I was hoping to find out some information on what an easy engine, trans, and rear axle combination (to swap in) might be for this bodystyle, and what all might be involved in the fabrication department - or are there some personal experiences, websites or other literature out there available that discusses this (that anyone knows about). The interior should be an easy task to throw something clean together. Would also like to change out the steering column with either something that is set up for an automatic transmission, or some recommendation to put an automatic in the truck otherwise. I would think a floor mounted shifter would work, but that would be a long way to reach to shift and probably wouldn't look right. So, sorry for the long post, just hoping to tap into other's past experiences for this bodystyle and swap. It seems the 53-56' bodystyles are the most popular for these swaps, so I am sure I'll be able to run down something to get started before long. Thanks in advance.

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70SportsRoof
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From: Orange County, CA
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 11-15-2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, floor shift for the auto would not be too bad. Look into getting a shifter from someplace like Lokar...they have a long stick on them, like a stock floor shift for a truck, and they come polished stainless. That's what I'll be using on the C4 behind my '46 flathead. You could go with a GM column, as most aftermarket wiring kits have th eplugs for GM columns, and you can get a custom or rebuilt one easily. I have a 302, C4 combo in my other '46...fits pretty good, no cutting of frame or firewall was needed, just used a oil filter relocation kit. The C4 lined up pretty good on stock trans crossmember, it's all a good fit. I would recommend you have the trans crossmember bolted in to make it easier to remove trans if needed. No room to pull trans w/o pulling engine with trans crossmember riveted. The '50 frame is slightly different, but still fairly similar to the '46's I'm working on. The rear end from a '69-'70 Mustang is just about the same width as the stock rear, so relocate the spring pads on the donor rear, and have a driveshaft made up and you're almost done. Hope this gave you some help with the truck.
Here's a link to Lokar: http://www.lokar.com/
Fora good Ford truck site: http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Gary M
'46 Ford pickup
'46 Ford pickup-Mutt
'57 Fairlane 500
'70 Mustang SportsRoof 63B

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skips69
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From: Catlin, IL USA
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posted 11-16-2003 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the reply Gary. I'll check out those sites. I also found www.bonusbuilt.com, and that's pretty good information for these old truck's as well. It appears that a 9" rear axle assy from a 67-72 Ford truck would be a direct bolt-in and would have the correct spring locations, and would be the proper width. I can locate one of those around here, no problem. And, they're pretty much all geared as 3.50's. I also found that the 71-73 Mustang rear axle assy is a direct bolt in - width wise, but that the spring mounts may have to be re-located and the pinion shimmed to achieve the correct angle. I have an 8" unit and a 9" unit from these already in storage, so that may work once I do some more checking. The flathead hasn't been totally ruled out either now that I have heard of adapters to bolt these to later C4's. so that will be something I'll have to check out as well. Got any leads on those adapters as far as who sells them, and how much???


Thanks again, I appreciate it.

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70SportsRoof
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From: Orange County, CA
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posted 11-16-2003 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by skips69:
The flathead hasn't been totally ruled out either now that I have heard of adapters to bolt these to later C4's. so that will be something I'll have to check out as well. Got any leads on those adapters as far as who sells them, and how much???


Thanks again, I appreciate it.


Sure do have a few links for adaptors, Skip. Check out this place, they are the first to offer flathead to C4 adaptors. http://www.flat-o.com/carproducts/flatomatic.htm About $550, for everything, including flexplate and torque converter, bellhousing, and more.
This place offers a kit to put a GM trans behind a '49-'53 flattie. http://www.transmissionadapters.com/fordflathead.htm

The kit from Flat-O is the one I'm going with for my flathead truck.

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Gary M
'46 Ford pickup
'46 Ford pickup-Mutt
'57 Fairlane 500
'70 Mustang SportsRoof 63B

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skips69
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posted 11-17-2003 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thaks Gary, the Flat-O site was very interesting, and I have printed all the information from it. Very cool stuff.

Thanks again!

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70SportsRoof
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From: Orange County, CA
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 11-17-2003 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem Skip...'57 and earlier Ford cars and '56 and earlier trucks are my thing...always have been...If I can help anymore just let me know.

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Gary M
'46 Ford pickup
'46 Ford pickup-Mutt
'57 Fairlane 500
'70 Mustang SportsRoof 63B

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skips69
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posted 06-12-2004 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Project has been in parts collecting / information gathering stage, due to start this winter. I have just purchased a 1975 F100 with a 302 V8 and C4 combo. This is my pop's "new" drivetrain combo. Some Questions:

1) Will the 302's oil pan clear the front straight axle of the 50' F1, or will we need a late model type rear sump and pick-up? IFS looks intriguing, but will likely ebuild the stock suspension and front end for now - add aftermarket disc brakes later though.

2) Will the 75's rear axle fit without any issues? It's a Ford 9". Was told a 67-72' Ford truck rear axle assembly is a direct fit width wise, so was curious the difference for the 73-79's, if any?

3) Would the wiring harness from the 75' be better to use in the F1 since everything needs converted to 12 volt anyway? Any issues with this that I may be overlooking? This would be pulled complete with the fuse box and I would also get the headlights from the 75', so all the plugs for them and the new engine would be correct and already marked. Am also looking to go with some "Old style" auto meter gauges as well.

4) I've seen that power assist rams (like those used on early Mustangs) are a direct bolt in to the original drag link and steering gear box for these old truck's. This 302 has the factory equipped power steering, but no ram. Any ideas if I need to utilize the pump and bracket on this 302, with a ram, or just the ram alone (when I come across one)?

That's it for now. Going to pull the gas tank from behind the seat, fit another one between the frame rails somewhere. The interior is up in the air - will likely use something out of a Ranger for seats, then build around that. Disc brakes, power steering and Vintage air are planned. Paint scheme is now planned to be Vintage Burgundy with black front and rear fenders and running boards. The chrome has not been decided as of yet - leave it paint it, combination..........Lot's of ideas, getting exciting!

Thanks for any help, as always.

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KULTULZ
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From: Rockville, MD
Registered: Oct 2002

posted 06-13-2004 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you will find the help and knowledge you need at -FORD TRUCK ENTHUSISTS WEBPAGE-

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skips69
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posted 06-13-2004 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a great website, and I go there from time to time to read, or with questions on my 79' F150 4x4. The older truck forum on this site has been kind of slow so far, but I'm on there too looking for the same information. Gotta love the net, lot's of information out there - you just have to find it.

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KULTULZ
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posted 06-14-2004 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't mean to run you off, but there are many knowledgeable people over there.

Most everything is for the 52/

Please share what you learn here...

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skips69
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From: Catlin, IL USA
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posted 06-17-2004 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, you didn't run me off. I go to that site pretty often as it is. Good reading for 73-79 truck's, engines, suspension upgrades, etc. I have also been going to Bonusbuilt.com - good site with lot's of general inormation for 48-52 Ford trucks, but kind of a small family of user's over there, limited to their own experiences. They're a good bunch of people though, and I can't expect everyone to know the answers to my questions (which I realize). I need to hit some larger car shows this summer and start net working some people with similiar trucks/modifications. This site has already turned in some good results for me - introduced me to Lokar shifter's and ton's of other leads. So, very pleased with each little bit of info I pull out. The quest is always the most interesting part of the project.

As always, thanks for all replies.

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