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oosnoop
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From: moodus,ct.usa
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posted 05-04-2003 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oosnoop   Click Here to Email oosnoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
need help 460pi(77) to56 ford car mounto&headers anyone?

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-05-2003 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would contact Crites Restorations- as they offer a changeover kit for the 1957. The mounting points for the 56 and 57 should be about the same as both carried the Y-Block. I think the trouble you will have is the way the heater fan motor is mounted in the 56 and headers that will fit correctly as FORD changed the frame and sheet metal in 1957.

Please let me know what you find out.

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-07-2003 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Came across -this post-

It includes a source for shorty headers;

If you can, let me know how this turns out.

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-11-2003 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Somebody must have made this swap before;

It doesn't have to be as radical as this installation. Anybody have any ideas?

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

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ted
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posted 05-22-2003 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ted   Click Here to Email ted     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back when it was unfashionable to put 429/460's in anything, (Early Seventies), I put a 460 in my '56 Customline hardtop.

Basically I used a piece of 3/16" or 1/4" inch flat plate that bolted to the 460 block and then bolted the '56 V8 mounts to the plate. Memory is failing me, but believe I measured an Fe block and got the vertical measurement for the motor mount holes as measured from the rear of the Fe block for the most rear set of Fe motor mount holes. Scribed this measurement as a vertical line on the flat plate for the 460. Horizontal height was determined by putting the block in the chassis sitting on the stock V8 mounts and then centerpunching the location on the fabbed flat plate while lined up with the scribed line. The plate is bolted to the block while doing this. Believe I used countersunk screws in at least one of the plate bolt holes on each side. Didn't have to do anything with the factory frame mounts other than relocating the transmission mount.

Headers were hand fabricated and were fender well style. This saved working around the steering box and clutch linkage but it would have been doable. Done it with Fe's in the same chassis.

Hope that helps.

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Ted E.
Fe's are plenty fast, but "Y"'s are fun when they run in the nines.

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-23-2003 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ted...Appreciate the information.

So most likely there is not a commercial change over kit, the mounts must be fabbed?

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ted
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posted 05-25-2003 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ted   Click Here to Email ted     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The motor mounts on a '86 F250 with a 460 look like they could possibly work. The two threaded posts coming off of them have close to the same measurements as the original '56 mounts. Also, the vertical measurement of the F250 motor mount from the threaded studs back to the bellhousing flange also match those of an Fe and Y-Block when using the '56 mounts.

It's just a question now if the distance between the motor mounts from side to side is the same. These mounts appear to set the motor down lower in the chassis than what I had accomplished in the early seventies. Of course, the mounts on the chassis could be altered to accommodate if the motor mounts are close to working.

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Ted E.
Fe's are plenty fast, but "Y"'s are fun when they run in the nines.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-25-2003 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about going the easy route and using an engine plate?

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-26-2003 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ted;


The motor mounts on a '86 F250 with a 460 look like they could possibly work.


Thanx Again Ted! It's is information like this that makes it easier for the next guy.

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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere;


How about going the easy route and using an engine plate?



True, it would be much simpler...but...I am a stickler for detail and when I pop a hood appreciate factory appearance installation detail. A plate to me (along with a DELCO/SEARS battery and STANT radiator cap) detracts from that appearance.

I even called TUBULAR AUTOMOTIVE (no kit offerd) looking for the answer here. I cannot believe that a retro-kit is not offerd for a 54/56 chassis with a 385 Series Engine. Short tube headers are. So, it is either an unpopular swap or there is an easy conversion as noted by Ted here.

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

[img]http://hotrodders.com/photos/00000424/merc3x2.jpg[/img]

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-26-2003 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 'Ol Boy Is Ready For The Home...

While dusting off my files, I came across this;

-Gearheads Cruiser Products-

Mounting Kits for 54/64 FORD/MERC

I have had this information all along and did not realize it. What's next...PULLUPS?

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

[img]http://hotrodders.com/photos/00000424/merc3x2.jpg[/img]

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-26-2003 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That looks like a decent setup.

I can understand you wanting to keep it factory looking.

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