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Mpcoluv
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posted 03-20-2003 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad just bought a '61 "Unibody" F-100.
Those trucks came with a 292 Y block.
Do these later Y blocks have the same top end oiling problems that the 55-57 T-birds did?
Is there a good site (like M&M) for these type of trucks?
I think he wants to add power disk brakes and power steering to it.

Thanks, Jim

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posted 03-20-2003 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy your stretching my memory. I haven't worked on a y-block since 59. As I recall, the oiling problem occured when the rocker shaft was assembled wrong or rotated after assembly. The oil feeds up through one of the shaft stands and runs through the rocker shaft. I saw some external lines run on motors to prevent the problem but I think if you assemble things correctly and keep the internals clean you won't have a problem.

I seem to remember some factory fix but I am not sure. maybe someone with a better memory or more recent experience can shed more light.

I think most of the troubles came from dirty oil.

There is a site for 57 fords where they may be able to answer your y-block questions although I have never tried them.

1957Ford.com

John

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-20-2003 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Jim,
If you don't get what you want at M&Ms Ford Truck forum, you may also want to check these out:

www.ford-truck.com

http://members.nbci.com/f100fever/index.html

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/fordpickups61to66fseries

Good Luck!
Ryan

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Mpcoluv
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posted 03-20-2003 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
Hey Jim,
If you don't get what you want at M&Ms Ford Truck forum, you may also want to check these out:

www.ford-truck.com

http://members.nbci.com/f100fever/index.html

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/fordpickups61to66fseries

Good Luck!
Ryan

[This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 03-20-2003).]


Thanks Ryan!

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-20-2003 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mpcoluv:
My dad just bought a '61 "Unibody" F-100.
Those trucks came with a 292 Y block.
Do these later Y blocks have the same top end oiling problems that the 55-57 T-birds did?


Thanks, Jim



Yes they did.

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posted 03-20-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Member KULTULZ can probably help a bunch.

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Alex Denysenko
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KULTULZ
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posted 03-20-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are serious about retaining the Y-BLOCK, you need -this reference material- to learn fully about it. It is available from -Classic Motorbooks- reasonably.

The upper lubrication problem came from a bad cam bearing usually that allowed the oil to bypass the passage to the rocker arm assemblies. That and filth building behind the oil filter adaptor. This was before high detergent motor oils and proper crankcase ventilation. It can be corrected. The old fix was to run copper supply tubes to the rocker covers. Can I get a Yo Mickey Mouse here?

There are also many new speed components available. Even a new 4V aluminum intake from Blue Thunder and an aluminum cylinder head is near production.

Here are some more refernece sites;

- Y-BLOCKS Forever-

- Y-BLOCK Discusion Board-

I thought you might enjoy that...

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

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Alex Denysenko
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posted 03-20-2003 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now that you jogged my memory KULTULZ I remember the fix was a rear cam bearing with an elongated slot to let the oil through even if the bearing rotated slightly. we didn't have locktite back then and the rear cam bearing would rotate cutting off the oil to the rocker shaft. I still think the problem came from poor lubrication causing the cam to rotate the bearing. My first race motor was a Y-Block and I never encountered this problem. But I changed the oil frequently.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 03-21-2003 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also played with Y blocks when I was a young pup in the early 70`s, when good running 57 Fords could be had for $50.- $100.00. I fondly remember swapping a Crane cam in my 57 Custom`s 272 with 312 heads & a Holley flanged intake from a 57 Merc. Because of the Mushroom lifters,(they can`t be replaced with the engine together, as they only come out from underneath, once the cam & crank are removed :eek , I used 16 fuel line hose clamps to hold the lifters up while swapping cams. If one of the lifters fell inside the engine with the cam out, it woulda been nasty. That was the only time I`ve ever changed a cam while re using old lifters. It ran fine, in fact that same engine that a buddy & I rebuilt while we were in high school in the early 70`s is still running fine in another buddys 57 Fairlane 2 dr HT to this day. A few years ago, I built a 312 for a guys 57 Ranchero, everything was still available, although pistons were a 3 week wait. I still think they are kinda cool!

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KULTULZ
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posted 03-21-2003 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I used 16 fuel line hose clamps to hold the lifters up while swapping cams.

The easiest way to hold them up is to take old style clothes pins and notch the ends down to where you can just clip them up.

What gets me is that these things still have a huge following. Back when I was young, the first thing you did was look around for an FE to swap into it.

But they do look good as a street rod engine. You can buy polished aluminum rocker covers, valley pans, front covers...convert the later distributor to DURASPARK. Truly amazing.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 03-21-2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I remember seeing the use of wooden clothes pins recommended for holding the lifters up out of the way during a cam change, shown right in the Ford shop manual. However, my paranoia was afraid to trust a 2 cent piece of wood to hold an oily smooth steel piece from falling into the engine. If one of those ever dropped inside, the 4 letter words would flow!!

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posted 03-21-2003 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KULTULZ:
The easiest way to hold them up is to take old style clothes pins and notch the ends down to where you can just clip them up.




Somewhere, sometime I saw an old picture of Smokey Yunik using clothes pins to hold the lifters while doing a cam swap on a Hudson engine.

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