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Rory McNeil
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posted 03-21-2003 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 59 Ford parts car has a nice looking frame, with no apparent collision damage or repairs. I`m wondering if anybody knows if this frame will fit a 57 or 58 Fairlane model. I realize that the 57 & 58 base model "Customs" used a 116" wheelbase, while the Fairlanes were 118". The 59`s were all 118". I also know that the retractable & the convertible had a different, much heavier X type frame. Other than a minor differance in the rear upper shock crossmember mount on the Ranchero, Sedan Delivery, & station wagons, I beleive all the others were the same. Am I correct?

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected]
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker under construction, 302 5 speed
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

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KULTULZ
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posted 03-21-2003 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think yes, they would be basically the same. What you need is someone that has a Master Parts Catalog for those years and look under basic part no. 5005. Even if there were different service nos., the differences would be minor.

This is my guess only...nothing to back it up.

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-21-2003 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
My 59 Ford parts car has a nice looking frame, with no apparent collision damage or repairs. I`m wondering if anybody knows if this frame will fit a 57 or 58 Fairlane model. I realize that the 57 & 58 base model "Customs" used a 116" wheelbase, while the Fairlanes were 118". The 59`s were all 118". I also know that the retractable & the convertible had a different, much heavier X type frame. Other than a minor differance in the rear upper shock crossmember mount on the Ranchero, Sedan Delivery, & station wagons, I beleive all the others were the same. Am I correct?


Could be wrong but believe that a 2dr or 4dr "Hardtop" would alsol have a heavier frame. I bet they'd interchange, though.

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fordguy57
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posted 11-17-2003 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordguy57   Click Here to Email fordguy57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the 59's are one of the least attractive models Ford ever built, and so have not had much exposure to them. But,I seem to remember reading that the frame is wider in '59 than '57-'58.. I have a frame from a '57 4 door Custom and am now tearing down a '58 2 door Custom, so the frames are not too hard to find anyway.. Measure how far apart body mounts are and that should tell you.. Mike H

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68 S-code GT
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posted 01-17-2004 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 S-code GT   Click Here to Email 68 S-code GT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are they all the same width? 57-59

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Rory McNeil
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posted 01-17-2004 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am looking in my 59 Ford factory shop manual right now, it appears that for 59 at least, there a 4 different frames. All the regular sedans and hardtops use the same frame, the SW,Ranchero & sedan delivery are narrower by 2 1/2" at the rear rails, & have some different rear body mounts. The reg. convert frame appears the same as the sedan/ht frame, except for the massive X section in the center. The retractable HT (Skyliner) is totally different. The front half looks like all the others,with a center X section like the convert., however the rear section is over 6" longer, plus is much narrower. The rear body mounts at the sides of the frame are 49" apart on the sedan, HT,and convertible, the SW,Ranchero,sedan delivery are 46.56", while the recractable is only 36.58-36.70" wide.If somebody wants, I can post most of the 59 frame dimensions, if someone with a 57 & 58 manual would do the same.On the 59, the widest body mount spacing seems to be about 15" behind the trans crossmember, & is 55.76" wide, center to center.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected]
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. [email protected]
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

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KULTULZ
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posted 01-17-2004 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little known and forgotten factoid;

These frames were popular back in the sixties and seventies for circle track racing and were used under CHEVELLES mostly.

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KULTULZ
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posted 01-29-2004 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory,

Have you found the information you need on the 57/58 frame? I have a 57 Shop Manual here with the specs. Would you want me to try and scan the pages for you?

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/aftermarket speed parts (1958/1960) used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) (Also Thunderbird 59/60) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) produced from 1958 thru 1968.

Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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Rory McNeil
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posted 01-30-2004 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you could scan the 57-58 frame dimensions, that would be great. My buddy has shop manuals for the 57&8, but I`m not sure when I`ll be out his way anytime soon.By the way, I went to my favorite wrecking yard, about 1 hour from town,last Sunday. They recently got a 59 Mercury Monterey 4 door sedan in. It has obviously sitting outdoors for quite some time, but other that missing the rearend, appears pretty complete. It has a MEL engine in it(complete down to the stock air cleaner). It has a 2 barrel carb, so I assume it must be a 383. Was the 383 the only MEL that came with a 2 barrel?

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected]
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker 302 5speed. [email protected]
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd

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KULTULZ
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posted 01-30-2004 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 1959 yes, the MERC 383 was offered with a 2V. It continued into 1960. Later early sixties LINCOLNS came with a 430 2V in a few model years.

I will try and get that scanned and to you.

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KULTULZ
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posted 01-31-2004 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory,

I am not 100% computer literate, so please bear with me.

-1957 FORD Frame Dimensions-

(Had to come back and correct this. The photo is the first frame. Keep hitting on it until you can read it.)

(Had to come back and correct it again-This link will take you straight to illustration)

I could not get all of the one page onto a scan because of the size and I can't figure out how to control it yet...

But the 1957 Shop Manual only shows one frame with dimensions, the CUSTOM (SWB). It gives an illustration of the differences (no measurements) of the frames offered for that model year (CUSTOM-FAIRLANE-and structural add-ons for the STATION WAGONS and CONVERTIBLE). It seems they give this information more for repair than reference.

So it seems there was only one basic frame for this year, with modifications made for the different models.

Quote from text;

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The basic car frame (Fig. 1) is a ladder type with box section side members and box, tubular, and channel cross members which are either riveted or bolted in place. The Fairlane side members are longer back of the rear kickup than those on the Custom frame.

An "X" type cross member and extra body support brackets are used in the Sunliner frame.

The Station Wagons, Courier, and Ranchero use the basic car frame except that the rear cross members differ. Extra body support brackets are located on the inside of the side members near the rear of the frame.


I also have here a 1959 FORD Service Specifications Manual (Wish I had the 57 if offered). It offers far more information (I think the 1959 frame was more complicated) but the differences seem to be between sedan, wagon and convertible.

I always thought (scary) that the 57/59 was basically the same car, but they seemed to have made changes in 1959 as another reader was looking for front floor and toe boards and all he could find was 57/58. Learn something everyday

Hope this helps you out.


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KULTULZ
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posted 02-22-2004 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I reposted the ill. as I couldn't reduce it (computer illiterate) to show here as a normal jpg. On my browser, it shows as very small but then there appears a box that will increase the size.

Can someone tell me if it works for you also?

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cpmaverick
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posted 02-22-2004 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpmaverick   Click Here to Email cpmaverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It works, but try this instead, I can't host it for long so if you can download it and host it that would be great.

http://www.auburn.edu/~pingiii/temp/42257fordframedemensions.pdf

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KULTULZ
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posted 02-22-2004 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appreciate it!

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KULTULZ
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posted 02-23-2004 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Charlie,

I know I sound like a moron (seasoned citizen) but how do I change the format of the pdf to jpg? My host service won't take the illustration and I would like to keep your revision over my attempt.

- In Maryland

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