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BornInAFord
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posted 02-25-2003 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys,
My brother purchased a 1954 Lincoln Capri coupe with the 317.5ci Y-block and the GM Turbohydramatic 4spd auto (this because of a fire in the Ford tranny factory that year so Ford used GM trannies). The car has 48000miles on it. It was last driven/licensed in California in 1962 when it broke a ring which scored one of the cylinders. He is planning a complete rebuild and will likely overbore 0.060 or so.

Questions:
Q o you know if common ford y-block performance goodies will work?
Q o you know the limits of an overbore? They seem to have enough steel to create an entire Honda Accord if recycled...
Q:Are any aftermarket aluminum parts available? The timing cover weighs more than 30 lbs...

Q:Any other suggestions? He is tempted to bag the whole thing and putting in a late 60's FE...
Daniel

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Bob Hopkins
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posted 02-26-2003 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Hopkins   Click Here to Email Bob Hopkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEA thats a lincoln andtruck engine and not really a "Y" -block few parts are interchangable between them but I do have a web site that has some stuff.
http://www.ford-y-block.com/
even though it says "y"-block he does have a Lincoln page, got a friend just bought a 56 Lincoln Capri, and my dad had 4 mid 50's Lincolns I worked on a bunch in the early 60's .

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KULTULZ
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posted 02-28-2003 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Lincoln Y-Block is similiar in design but not interchangeable with the FORD/MERC Y-Block. The 317/347/368ci were passenger car series and the 279/302/332ci were light/medium truck useage.

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CAPTAIN CLAMHEAD
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posted 03-02-2003 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAPTAIN CLAMHEAD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YOU ARE WRONG SIR. THE FIRE WAS IN THE GENERAL MOTORS HYDROMATIC PLANT. FORD DID NOT HAVE ANY HEAVY DUTY TRANSMISSIONS THAT WOULD WITHSTAND THE TORQUE OF THE LINCOLN SO THEY PURCHASED THE GENERAL MOTORS ONES.
THEY WORKED BEST WITH A FISH OIL BASED ATF.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-03-2003 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate to admit it, but the Capt. is correct.

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BornInAFord
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posted 03-04-2003 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CAPTAIN,

Thanks for your gentle correction. I was just passing on what the previous owner had told us (on why the car has a GM tranny). There is obviously a lot of disinformation out there... I did a little research into the history of why Lincoln didn't use a tranny of their own.

It turns out that the existing Ford/Merc auto tranny wasn't good enough for Lincoln's high standards. GM's tranny was good enough. So, while Lincoln's automotive engineers developed a heavy duty auto tranny of their own replacing the disasterous "Liqui-a-matic" that they initially had come up with, they purchased the Hydramatic. The new FoMoCo tranny came on line early in the 1955 model year.

Again, thanks for the sharp eyes.

Regards,

Daniel

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-04-2003 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I hate to admit it, but the Capt. is correct.


Yes, he is. The pits would be to order a Super 88 Olds in 53 and have it come with Dynaflow. Flathead Ponchos of 53 also fell victim and had to use powerglides. Caddy had to use dynaflush, also. Lincoln was not the only one to use hydros. Hudson had them also.

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BornInAFord
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posted 03-04-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornInAFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that GM tried to buy Ultramatics from Packard back in 1949 but were rebuffed. Packard might have actually made some money had they accepted. Now, if only they hadn't bought out Studebaker...

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-05-2003 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BornInAFord:
I believe that GM tried to buy Ultramatics from Packard back in 1949 but were rebuffed. Packard might have actually made some money had they accepted. Now, if only they hadn't bought out Studebaker...

Daniel


Yeah! They put a new spin on the word, fugly! The original Lowey 53 Commander 2 dr ht. is still a sharp car to look at. By the time Stude/Pack got through, it was a turd hearse! Even uglier, if poss,(LOL!) was the shotgun marriage (spawned an abortion!) of Hudson and Rambler. Like dogsh*t on the carpet!

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-05-2003 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fish oil based ATF?????????????

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-05-2003 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Fish oil based ATF?????????????


What type of fluid was that PU???

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[email protected]
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posted 03-06-2003 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't remember the brand but I clearly remember smelling some lube's back in the 50's that must have been fish oil based. Thanks for a smelly memory.

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BlueMule
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posted 03-06-2003 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMule   Click Here to Email BlueMule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by [email protected]:
I don't remember the brand but I clearly remember smelling some lube's back in the 50's that must have been fish oil based. Thanks for a smelly memory.

John


wasn't it whale oil?

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[email protected]
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posted 03-06-2003 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it was a whale of a smell. I'm going to go find something pleasant to smell.

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-06-2003 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
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Well it was a whale of a smell. I'm going to go find something pleasant to smell.

John



Honest, Honey!! I wasn't fooling around, as she catches a whiff on his fingers!, I was just changing the lube in my transmission. Yeah, sure!

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TomP
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posted 04-14-2003 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The original Ford hypoid gear oil was made with whale oil, you can sure tell by smell.

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KULTULZ
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posted 05-11-2003 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-Related Post Regarding LINC Series Y-Block-

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I am looking for information concerning factory performance/speed parts used on the MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) Engine Series (383-410-430-462) from 1958 thru 1968.

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